EP 5 - HEALTHY SKIN FROM WITHIN
In this episode of Get Your Shit Together we chat about:
🧡 Diane’s skincare story
🧡 Adina’s eczema and keratosis pilaris journey
🧡 Do dairy, sugar, and food sensitivities cause skin issues?
🧡 Gut, liver, and adrenals support for skin healing
🧡 Practical tips for supporting your skin from within
& more!
Resources & Good Shit
What We’re Consuming
The Mitchells vs. The Machines (Netflix): a supe cute animated film
Concrete Cowboy* starring Idris Elba (Netflix) *NOT Urban Cowboy, which apparently is a John Travolta movie.
Jungle (Amazon): Harry Potter meets Naked & Afraid. Ok, clothed and afraid. A true story thrillaaaa.
What If (Amazon): Another Harry Potter, errr, Daniel Radcliffe movie ALSO starring one of our faves…Adam Driver. This is such an underrated rom com!
Homemade ice cream with this machine! Yup, Diane bought one right after we recorded the episode. Maybe we should start an ice cream truck?
Yai’s Thai: Check out their curry sauces, pad thai sauce, and spicy relish [if you can find it - this is AMAZE on brats and burgs].
More Good Shit
Genevieve Blair: Our pal Genny B is a medical aesthetician, makeup artist, and our go-to recommendation for virtual skincare consultations!
Connect with Adina:
Instagram: @adinarubin_
Website: www.adinarubincoaching.com
Connect with Diane
Instagram: @dianeteall
Website: www.diteawellness.com
Transcript
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Adina: 0:29
Hello, and welcome back to another episode of the, get your shit together, podcast. Diane. It is so good to see your face and hear your voice. What is going on in Michigan?
Diane: 0:43
It's a good spring is springing over here in Michigan again. And I just put my, my sons, my fur babies down for a nap. So excited to dig in and to record with you. It's been a minute. We last recorded and kind of batch recorded our first few episodes at the beginning of this year. So we're super excited to dig in.
Adina: 1:03
Okay. A few things. First of all, were you saying suh good like from happy endings?
Diane: 1:08
Yeah, switch that show rip it's. It was a fantastic show and it just did not get the love that it deserves, but I think it is still available on Amazon prime. If you are looking for something light and funny, I feel like if you liked new girl,
Adina: 1:25
I was going to say
Diane: 1:26
that is kind of in a similar vein.
Adina: 1:28
It's like a friendship II comedy that just not enough people watch, but yeah, when they do that, like SA
Diane: 1:36
who's your favorite character? Penny was probably mine.
Adina: 1:39
Okay. I'll tell you what I love about penny. And I think it's to the actress's credit, that character could have been terrible. And she is so funny. Like, I, I love her, but I love max the most, I think.
Diane: 1:53
Max, you sound like you're from the Midwest.
Adina: 1:55
he says it. yeah, snacks in my backpack with my salad are you offended?
Diane: 2:07
No, I have, I have retained some of my Virginia Beach accent. My best friend from Virginia might disagree, but I still say y'all. But other than that, yeah, then the nasally can come out a little bit here.
Adina: 2:21
I mean, New Jersey is not any better. We got some, we got some stiff.
Diane: 2:25
Stick us hot ALEKS.
Adina: 2:27
on that spring has sprung around here too. I'm hoping that you can't hear. The grass trimmer that is outside my window window trimming away on that grass, but
Diane: 2:38
Sometimes I think that my neighbors or just people in general, in the summertime just go back and forth using their leaf blower, like for hours on end.
Adina: 2:46
It's like leaf blower, lawnmower, leaf blower, lawnmower, and they're just trying to ruin my life. Yeah. That's what they do in all right. So let's jump into. Our little segment we like to call, what are we consuming? Where we talk about things we're watching and things we are eating. Yeah.
Diane: 3:05
yeah. What you eating over there? I know some things you've been cooking up or some desserts turn in.
Adina: 3:13
on our last episode, I talked about the blue marble ice cream that we were eating. But since then I have regularly been meal prepping. Our ice cream at home. And we're actually going to get into this a little bit on this episode, just a little sneaky Peaky. And obviously if you saw the title of this episode, you know, we were talking all about skin today and I know dairy can come up a lot. We are going to do an entirely separate episode on dairy because I think there's a lot to break down and people have a lot of questions about dairy. Um, but we will touch on it a little bit today. And as a part of my story, I used to be. A little bit scared of dairy. Cause I thought it was part of what was flaring, my eczema, which we're going to get into a little bit later. However, I have synced healed my gut balanced, my hormones, boosted my metabolism and yeah, dairy is now a really supportive nourishing part of my diet. And so we've been doing a lot of grassfed whole milk and grassfed cream around here. And I have been making the most delicious vanilla ice cream. Okay. And here is how it goes. First of all, I joke that this recipe is basically an omelet because it has,
Diane: 4:26
and he was like, wait, is this a custard? He saw the ingredient list because I'm going to make it later today.
Adina: 4:31
Um, yeah, literally 10 eggs. Like I put 10 eggs in it, so I put 10 egg yolks in a bowl with a cup of sugar and I whisk it up more accurately mini whisks set up. That's her favorite part to participate in? So she whisks up those eggs with the sugar and then, um, in a sauce pan, I heat up the grassfed cream and the grassfed milk. And when it is hot, I temper the exit. So just pour in a little bit, whisk it up, pour in a little bit, whisk it up so that it doesn't cook the eggs. It just warms them. And it is a custard. It's like a really custardy ice cream. Um, Um, super creamy. So I heat that up and then I put it back in the pan for a little bit, add some vanilla extract, or you can do vanilla beans and then cool that off and then pour it into my ice cream maker, which if you do not have an ice cream maker, highly, highly recommended,
Diane: 5:21
Okay, wait, can you make this without one of those ice cream makers? Like, can I just pour this into a container? Let it set.
Adina: 5:28
yes, but it won't be as like, it won't be a churned ice cream, you know, like the ice cream maker churns. It that's part of
Diane: 5:35
Well, I guess I'm going into the store today
Adina: 5:37
I mean, why don't you have an ice cream maker? Like that's,
Diane: 5:40
because we have like, every other gadget is the problem.
Adina: 5:44
So I'm not such a kitchen gadget person, but if you really understand the nutrient benefits. Of ice cream and you start to understand how wonderful of a food it is to include on such a regular basis. Then an ice cream maker can be key because now you can control the ingredients and really make it the most nutrient dense that it can be.
Diane: 6:09
nutrient dense ice cream. Like. Me from a few years ago, childhood Diane certainly is like that. Blow my mind.
Adina: 6:19
That's why, like, you know, people are going to tell you like, Oh, yeah, don't eat that ice cream late at night. Don't eat that ice cream, but I actually tell my clients to eat ice cream as a bedtime snack, because it can be so supportive of getting those stress hormones down and helping you get to sleep.
Diane: 6:36
Provided, it looks, something like that and not say, I don't know, the Superman ice cream or
Track 4: 6:44
the kind of that used to come in
Diane: 6:45
a bucket that we would get for like kid birthday parties. You know what I mean? With like the red handle,
Adina: 6:52
And the opposite end of that too, is like halo top or something where it's just like junk, like,
Diane: 6:56
just water.
Adina: 6:57
And like junky oils and inflammatory ingredients. So yeah, whole food, nutrient dense ice cream, super supportive of getting those stress hormones down and making you feel wonderful. And again, we'll talk about the skin benefits, shortly, but what are you consuming, Diane?
Diane: 7:16
Oh, we've been kind of on autopilot with some of our meals here and sweet Neil has been doing meals
Track 4: 7:23
by Neil. on the weekend that's, at least
Diane: 7:25
what I call it and. Yeah, it's really helping out.
Track 4: 7:29
We, we, why'd I say,, Neil made
Diane: 7:33
these burgers this past weekend and we had a lot of different things that were almost empty in our fridge, a lot of condiments. So he used up some gochujang. I might have said that wrong some of our sweet chili sauce. He added some leftover shallots, like diced up and made some burgers for us this weekend, along with some. Duck fat potatoes, they will change your life. And a lot of my clients know how delicious these are and others are like, wait, duck fat. What it is, it takes your potatoes, your roasted potatoes, your fries to a whole new level. So we didn't have any buns we had a ton of condiments. And he also made a fancy sauce. It felt like what a Whopper wanted to be, but with, um, less mayo because growing up, I felt like they used like a quarter cup of Mayo on those. Um, and so he made burgers, some duck fat potatoes this weekend. And we've been going through some of our duck fat and just doing roasted potatoes with our side and use some beef from one of my favorite local farmers, happy animals do it best. It just tasted so good. So we've been doing that and also making kind of a spin on pad Thai as well. There's a brand called yaisTai, I think. And they also have some really delicious sauces. So ideally I'd like to make my own, but. Sometimes semi-homemade is best. So it just kind of dumped that into our dish. We had bok choy with it, some grated carrots. So we sauteed up in some delicious mushrooms, as well as I love their relish. They have a spicy relish as we go into grilling season, check this out. I've been able to find it locally, but also on thrive market as well. So yummy, just the right amount of spice. Sometimes you catch like a surprise pepper in there, but love yais, Tai Tai, Tai relish.
Adina: 9:32
Yeah, that sounds good. We've been doing a lot of actually beef fat potatoes, like tallow. I've been just keeping a tub of talo lately, and there was just that beef fat. On those potatoes, like murmur, murmur, murmur. Um, so that's been good. And then we are consuming on the media end of things. I honestly like we haven't recorded in so long and I have since watched so many movies that I don't even know where to begin. My brain is like exploding.
Diane: 10:02
Especially with Oscar season, but
Adina: 10:04
I feel like we need to do like an Oscar breakdown episode, but she told me that she didn't watch enough of the movies for it to be worth your while. So maybe I'll record
Diane: 10:12
but deepen shows. Okay.
Adina: 10:15
separately with Dani but let me think, what should I share? Promising young woman? Did you see it?
Diane: 10:22
that's a Netflix one, right? Is that a stressy depressy movie? Because I think I add it to my queue, but I wasn't ready to be stressed out.
Adina: 10:28
is a little stressy depressy it is about. It is a very, very unique take on like sexual assault and what surrounds that and the silencing of women. And kind of like, I don't want to give too much away if you didn't see it. But I will say that the director also directed season two of killing Eve which did you watch? Killing Eve.
Diane: 10:57
I did not.
Adina: 10:58
A vibe for sure. it's a very, very unique style. It's like kind of playful, but dark. And these the leads in both of promising young women and killing Eve do that so well, like that sort of arrested development, like childish playfulness, but it's super dark and vengeful. Um, so yeah. I really enjoyed it. I thought it was an incredible take on that conversation and a little stressy depressy but that style is just playful. So it's kind of masked the stressy depressy is masked with fun.
Diane: 11:43
Well, maybe I'll cue that up and have something light afterwards because I've been more in that vein. And we've been, I mean, this show is just so clear. I don't think you've watched this one BoJack horseman on Netflix.
Adina: 11:55
a few episodes and I know I love it, but haven't like watched it enough, you know,
Diane: 12:00
It's one that Neil got me into, and we've mentioned in past episodes having a movie chore where we're kind of multitasking while we're watching something, but I've actually started sitting down and watching it. And it is so clever. There are a lot of things that you could miss. And there just has a, quite a good lineup in the way of the cast, um, Will Arnet is the main character, but. I love it. We, of course just watched one of the episodes with pickles. The pug, the main character is dating
Adina: 12:28
was telling you, so we watched the Mitchell's versus the machines this weekend. And so it's an animated film. The lead is, I guess she's a lead. Yeah. She's the lead is Abby Jacobson from, for broad
Diane: 12:38
broad city. We
Adina: 12:40
Like the, she, her voice is so perfect for like a teenage animated character. It's really great. But again, sneaky, depressy movie just like
Diane: 12:52
It's like wall-e right. And it's concept a little bit, maybe.
Adina: 12:56
but it's more about family than anything. And I just was not prepared to be up in my eyeballs like that. It just like Dani and I were both like weeping on the couch. It's stabbed us in the heart. It was, it's like, you know, father, daughter stuff, and yeah. Woof. So anyways, but
Diane: 13:12
Hmm. Well, speaking of woof though, you brought it up, I think because there is a pug in that movie and it is voiced whatever you want to call it by Doug, the pug. Funny enough. Sometimes people are like, wait, is your pug, Doug? The pug? I like to think so, but I think we're like a year or two late on that one
Adina: 13:28
Yeah. So the pug is hilarious and kind of the hero of the movie, but there's a really good
Diane: 13:36
as he should be.
Adina: 13:37
there's a good bit about the pug that I want you to see. I don't want to ruin it, but
Diane: 13:42
Before we move on speaking of movies, cause yes, we have both watched so many, I'm looking at my bullet journal. I list out good movies that I've seen urban cowboy with. Um, Idris Elba is in he's in that movie. Love him, also saw the white tiger, which I think is based on a novel. That was a really good movie as well and has a happy ending. I think sorta of, I won't ruin it for you. And finally jungle, which Harry Potter, excuse me. Daniel Radcliffe and Robert Pattinson have been really busy the last few years, making all kinds of films and
Adina: 14:18
you about that Daniel Radcliffe movie? That was delightful that we watched.
Diane: 14:22
well, this one wasn't delightful. So it was probably a different one.
Adina: 14:25
we watched, um, Oh my God, what's it called? It has two titles. So that's why I'm confusing it. Like the F word was one of the titles, but then they retitled it and I'm forgetting what it's called. Uh, uh, uh, Diane, look it up. Um, anyways, so it's Daniel Radcliffe, but more specifically, we watched it because of my dear love Adam driver, who, if he is in anything, I will watch it and I will just laugh my ass off because I think he is the most brilliant, comedic actor of our generation. But.
Diane: 14:56
I did watch that movie.
Adina: 14:58
that was a fun, like if you're looking for an old school, romantic comedy that just like makes you
Diane: 15:04
What if
Adina: 15:05
if, what if that's what it's called? Okay.
Diane: 15:08
called? What if
Adina: 15:09
delightful romcom with one of the funniest scenes like Adam driver's line. Yes.
Diane: 15:17
Yeah. Add that to your queue. It's from, I think 2013, it looks like that was excellent. Um, but so too was this one called jungle. I did not know that this is based on a true story, but basically Daniel Radcliffe goes into the jungle. He's looking for gold. I don't know, but he's going out with a couple of friends and he gets lost and you follow him throughout the movie. And what happens. Is he going to make it out? I don't know, but it's amazed based on a true story. And it's really quite incredible. And afterwards, after watching the movie, I looked up the true story and the actual story was really quite intense and it had, they put everything from this man's story into the movie. You wouldn't have believed it because of all these wild things that happened to him. So Daniel Radcliffe. Props we're moving past Harry Potter in that major role, but I loved both of those films. What If and jungle.
Adina: 16:17
Who knew I was such a Daniel Radcliffe fan. Um, okay. Harry Potter, we need to get into the meat of this episode because I could go all day about the 3000 movies that I've seen since our last recording. It's unfair. It's unfair to our listeners. It is unfair to me.
Diane: 16:35
Yeah, let's get into the meat and potatoes, the duck fat potatoes.
Adina: 16:40
here is just like a little overview okay. Of how this episode's going to go down. This is not a. Deep dive on topical skincare and everything that you gotta do to fix your acne, eczema, psoriasis, keratosis, Polaris, the whole gang. Um, that is not what this is. We do have friends that we love dearly. Um, should I give Genny a little shout out?
Diane: 17:07
Genny B.
Adina: 17:08
our friend, Genevieve, Gennybbeauty on Instagram is an incredible esthetician and makeup artist and she is well versed in safer skincare. Um,
Diane: 17:18
and she does online virtual consults hour long consult as well.
Adina: 17:21
that is where I would send people for their topical questions. On today's episode, we are diving into how to a little bit of our stories and how to support your internal environment for optimal skin outcomes. And so. Again, if this is new information to you, you might feel resistance or confusion. If you are in the field of dermatology or anything like that, there might be some confusion for you. Because the first time I heard that the inside of my body was connected to the outside of my body. It took me a while to wrap my head around it. So I will say like always, show up with an open mind and an open heart to this conversation. We are just here to provide everything that we have learned from our own experiences from client experiences, from the deep dives that we have done on human physiology and nutrition and gut health, and really teach you how to best support that clear glowy skin that you are looking for, whether that is on your face, on your scalp, on your arms. Um, yes, there is a field of dermatology and it does view all of these conditions as separate. But we know that at the root, it all comes down to your metabolic health, to your thyroid health, to your gut health. And so we can make progress in a lot of these areas and not to say that topicals don't help topicals are important as well.
Diane: 18:49
Yes necessary.
Adina: 18:51
if, if these things are not in place, You will just be a revolving door with your dermatologist in and out getting this cream, getting that cream, because this needs to be the foundation before any of those topicals can really support you. Long-term
Diane: 19:07
Yes, absolutely. I love that. And as we cover in all of our episodes and in our approach with clients is. We encourage you to come away from thinking of yourself as just these separate parts. That is the conventional model, which can help in some scenarios. Right. But we want for you to see how everything is interconnected and things don't just happen in a vacuum. So if you are someone who struggles with skin conditions like Adina was just describing, there's so much benefit to supporting your foundations so that you have this better outcome and you're not trying to skincare out or laser out a poor lifestyle or other habits that are otherwise, um, hampering your results.
Adina: 19:50
yeah, I mean, take it from us. Like we were in and out of dermatologist office, you were working at a med spa, like we've tried all the products, all the things. And if that is your only approach, that is the only tool in your toolbox. You will be continuously trying all the things forever. so Diane, why don't you tell us a little bit about your history, your skin story, as it were, and kind of what you learned along the way, maybe some mistakes you made along the way? Just a little bit about what that was like for you and where you are now.
Diane: 20:23
Yes. I may have mentioned this in one of our intro episodes. So. Growing up. I had what I described as a cranky skin through high school. I went to the dermatologist's office often and we just aggressively dry out my skin. I had painful breakouts, what I call under grounders, the kind that hangout for a couple of weeks or more. And with my skin tone, they would also leave behind some of that post-inflammatory hyperpigmentation. So I felt like I had this reminder of some of my past skin issues and it really. Especially earlier in life in high school, early college could suck the wind out of my sails because I felt like I was doing everything right. I was going to the dermatologist and using products that I thought were very supportive. My skin health only to feel like I wasn't really getting anywhere now. My first job, my first big girl job after college, after undergrad was working at a plastic surgery office, a professional med spa, where we had medically directed skincare and amazing products, treatments, and all of that. And one of my favorite perks at the time was all of the treatments and products that I had access to because I worked there and my skin did improve for some time there. I used some incredible products. Some I still love to this day? And so it worked for a while until around, I'd say 2014, 2015 things started to change. I would notice some breakouts returning more frequently. And despite using these products that I had known and love and had great success with. So I wondered what was amiss and thought flash forward. A few years later when I was working in the ad agency. I was just feeling kind of stumped. And I covered kind of some of my journey of how I came to be a nutritional therapy practitioner. But one of the main reasons that I chose to do that was because of how I noticed my skin change and shift for the better. When the only variables that changed were things in my food and my lifestyle. I absolutely still love high quality skincare. I believe that it is necessary. Piece that topical piece. But I think that it is much more effective alongside managing that internal environment. And so, as I did things like the elimination diet, the first time and worked with a nutrition professional, noticed that my skin was more glowy, that my healing time for breakouts was a lot shorter. And that the integrity of my skin just seemed different. Um, I noticed that the glow kind of last a little bit longer or that my skin just seemed more resilient, less dull and so that just was such a game changer. I know it can seem all right. It's vanity, it's just skin, but if you've struggled with things like recurring breakout, hormonal acne for years, You know, just how much better it feels when you can see the results of your work and much faster. So that was, that was really, really helpful. And
Adina: 23:36
you touched a little bit on elimination diets, and I know we'll get into this later on in the episode, but can you, I know myself included and so many of the people I work with. We create these stories around certain foods, especially if cutting them out, helped us get to a better place with our skin. So can you share a little bit about that in relationship to your journey? And if you have any thoughts around that?
Diane: 24:05
Yes. I love that. So I, this is several years ago now. I also alongside recurring breakouts and what I call cranky skin. I did not tolerate dairy very well. And I had heard, okay. Dairy needs to come out in order for your skin to heal. And it just kind of has to stay out. And I thought, okay, no problem. Because my gut does not like dairy either. I definitely would not have been able to enjoy ice cream without consequences. So I thought, all right, this just has to stay out in order for me.
Track 3: 24:39
what a cute way to refer
Adina: 24:40
to that?
Diane: 24:41
Yes. And by consequences, I mean blow outs. I mean, we're like five episodes in now. We're friends here. Um, so yeah, I thought I had just had to keep dairy out in order to maintain my skin health, my skin results. And at the time I didn't feel like I was lacking. Anything there, but I thought, okay. Sometimes I just want to have some delicious cheese and ice cream, but I tabled that for some time thinking that that's what I needed to do to keep my skin healthy. But since that first elimination, diet and additional exploration experimentation with myself and. The more that I learned about the gut and how my metabolism works. I was able to successfully reintroduce, dairy, particularly very high quality dairy in the past couple of years. I mean, this past year I have been able to, or two years have been able to bring in cheese cheddar, some sharp cheddar I'm team, sharp cheddar. Some Parmesan on my pasta, um, ice cream ice cream is definitely one that I did not think that I would be bringing back with this success and even whole milk and cream as well. I mean, if you had told me five, six years ago that this would be part of my normal routine and that I would enjoy it without feeling gassy, bloated, crampy. Or without breaking out, I probably would not have believed you, but my skin is in a really healthy place. Now
Adina: 26:12
yeah, that has been my experience as well. I'm going to get a little, I'm going to give you a, a bit more on my story there too, but I was scared of dairy and I really thought that it flared my eczema and you know, what I, ice cream is interesting too, right.
Track 3: 26:27
Because that means sugar as well. And I'm sure we've all heard stories about sugar in our skin. So. There's a lot to break down there. But in my story, eczema was like my main Uh, as far as skin goes, I did also struggle with keratosis, Polaris, those like little chicken skins on your upper arm, but I didn't give much thought to that because like, it didn't hurt.
Adina: 26:54
And I was so used to it. Cause I've had that since I was little that I didn't, I wasn't really concerned with making progress there. Uh, but I did notice that in. The last few months since dairy has been a major part of my diet, which we will talk more about again, we're going to do an entire episode on dairy. Coming soon. I noticed that my keratosis Polaris is much better too, which is so awesome. Again, like we said, all of this is connected and the things that we do to support better metabolic health, better gut, better gut health, better hormone balance. They impact the skin on our face, the skin on our arms, the skin on our whole body. So it is all connected. But for those of you that don't know my story, I have struggled with eczema. My whole life. Like I've always, it's always kind of been a thing usually in those elbow pits and knee pits. Um, we also,
Diane: 27:47
wait. I've never heard any pits before, but that makes so much sense. I think it's actually a medical term.
Adina: 27:52
That's, that's the medical term
Track 3: 27:53
for the, of your knee. Um, what
Adina: 27:57
are my stereotypes about doctors? Um, so anyways, I had struggled with that kind of on and off yeah. Whole life and then in college, under my armpits and then just itchy, just red and itchy, you know, and then when I started, okay. So it was when I got engaged and so. I first thought like, Oh, I must be allergic to my engagement ring. Um, I started to get this little rash on my fingers and it just kept getting worse and worse and worse. And it would ebb and flow. Like sometimes it'd be worse. Sometimes it'd be a little better, but
Diane: 28:30
Seasonally, would it play for you?
Adina: 28:32
tough to say it really wasn't linear. Like I think that sometimes the heat would make it worse. Sometimes the cold would make it worse. Like it was so temperamental and it was. What I self-diagnosed myself with dis hydrotic, eczema, whatever you want to call it. But that's like when there's those little bubbles and it's itchy and it cracks and it gets really dry. Anyways, it was torture to say the least I would wake up in the middle of the night and want to rip my fingers off of my hands. And they looked like little lizards. It was just, yeah, it was, it was torture. It was really, really torture. Um, and it got so bad. When I, so when I was pregnant with Abe, my son who is now a year and a half, I had this crazy flare on my face. Like I,
Diane: 29:20
I remember that.
Adina: 29:21
hid in my home for a week. It was so hot and itchy. And I like remember crying on the couch and begging, dying to come home from work because I couldn't
Track 3: 29:30
focus on Minnie like I couldn't
Adina: 29:31
listen to her talk because I was so. Distracted by the furnace on my face. Uh, so that was terrible. And anyways, throughout this whole journey I was in and out of dermatologist's office, I would get a steroid cream, it would work for two weeks, then it would dry me out too much and I'd have to go back and get another cream. And it was just if you know
Diane: 29:50
Right. Just come back later.
Adina: 29:52
Like if you know that eczema life, like, you know, that eczema life, you know, it just flares at the worst times, obviously, because there's a stress component, but it. Really really took over my life. It got to a point where I was not sleeping. I was so distracted by how itchy my hands were. I was still trying to run my nutrition business. This was very recent. So I was feeling all sorts of imposter syndrome around. I am helping these other people, but. I know this has to do with my nutrition. I just can't crack the case on it. I can't figure out how to better support my body. And so at that time was when I really dove in with a more intensive gut healing protocol. And like I did a food sensitivity test and did an elimination diet. And again, that doesn't need to be the case for everyone. I think since that experience in the last year or so, I have kind of shifted my perspective around. Whether or not everyone needs that. And you know, I know Diane and I talk about this all the time. Um,
Diane: 30:56
Had I known a few years ago, or when I first did that elimination diet, I think things would have looked a lot differently and perhaps would have gone faster. Had I known what I do now?
Adina: 31:05
Yeah, which is why we do the work that we do. We take our years of experience, years of failures, work with clients and we condense it down so that we can give you the best information that will support you to get those results, the quickest, healing. Timeline is going to look completely different, but this was my experience. And after that, through functionally supporting my digestion through better supporting my metabolism through working through that protocol. I really found peace with my hands and they just kept getting better and better and better. And now I don't even think about it, which is so crazy. If you had told me like over a year ago that this would be a non-issue for me. So soon I really wouldn't have believed you, but again, like I had so much fear around dairy cause I was like, I cut out dairy and things started to get better in that time period. But now that I have been able to successfully reintroduce dairy, I actually feel like things have reached a new level of better. Like my, my skin on my hands is just so clear and it's so hydrated. Like even while everyone I knew Or quote unquote, without these gut issues, um, was struggling with really dry hands. This winter, my hands didn't even dry out once this winter, which is
Diane: 32:27
Yeah. It's, especially with people using hand Sani or washing them a lot, perhaps even if they don't struggle with eczema,
Adina: 32:33
totally.
Diane: 32:33
was dry hands.
Adina: 32:34
to not even have a touch of dry skin, and I really feel like. including that high quality dairy on a more regular basis now that I am able to tolerate it. So with that caveat, there is some work that a lot of us need to do to be able to reintroduce dairy successfully. Again, I think I'm like bleeding into our dairy episode a little bit. I, I can't wait to talk about it.
Diane: 32:56
Oh, me too. Cause it's such, it's such a game changer. And you said something I wanted to spend a moment on for a second. And that is that you don't even think about it now because something I mentioned, or I talk about with my clients often is we acclimate to wellness pretty quickly. And that used to be something that was all consuming, right? Like I just don't. I just want this to go away. And now it has, and maybe if you pause and reflect, you're like, wait, I haven't had to wake up in the middle of the night or try to extinguish this. Fire on my hands or on my face for me, it was, I'm not waking up anymore. And first feeling my face to see if I have a new underground, or that's going to stick around for a few weeks or something that's painful. Should I touch my face? And that's just such a game changer. And so too with dairy, I didn't think that I would get to a place where I could they'd have dairy with all those consequences symptoms. Yes, asterisk, farting gas, bloating trips to the secret office, blow out bathroom, things like that. So that has just opened up so much more life to it. Myself. I know there are. Are so many bigger issues, right? But again, if you've struggled with skin stuff or not being able to enjoy dairy and other foods, because you have a one-sided relationship with it, we just want to share this to show you that there are ways that you can change your situation.
Adina: 34:27
I love that. I love because for you, if you are listening to this and you were thinking like, I can't even imagine being there like I'm so here, I can't imagine being there, we just want you to know, like, we really, really struggled and we want you to know what is possible on the other side of it.
Diane: 34:46
Remember that your timeline for re-introducing foods like high quality dairy can vary. Oh, I'm a poet. I didn't know it, but I've noticed some clients, it might take a few months, six months, others a longer. It depends on your terrain, your background, perhaps to what your ancestors ate. So if you come from a background where plenty of dairy was included, you might have. Might be able to reintroduce dairy with more success faster than someone who did not historically have that in their diet. So bear that in mind that there is no perfect timeline, do this for eight weeks and you're done. And remember the healing work is ongoing and it's not linear.
Adina: 35:33
Yeah. And remember that it also depends on how long you kept dairy out of your diet for, because. Again, I always talk about this on the strength training side of things, but it really is true of digestive capacity as well. If you don't use it, you lose it. Our body is just trying to keep us alive. Everything is based on survival. So extra functions that we don't need for survival will get down-regulated if you don't utilize them. So oftentimes when we keep dairy out of our diet for so long, because we read. That paleo is the best diet ever. We need to eat an ancestral paleo diet, and that did not include dairy. If you have been following a template like that for so long, your body will actually downregulate the enzymes necessary to break down the dairy. And so re-introducing it. You will need your body to build up that capacity again, to even make that enzyme to help you break down dairy. So that's a piece too, that we really need to be aware of.
Diane: 36:36
yes, but let's say that you removed some of these foods for some time, but you still have skin issues. So what are some other things that we want to consider instead of just removing dairy and then hoping for the best when you bring it back? Right. So. Let's start first with talking about the gut, your gut health and metabolism, and how to further support that.
Adina: 37:01
Yeah, we're always talking about this, that internal environment, that internal terrain is what is going to make it possible to utilize the nutrients. And again, when that environment, that terrain that digestive digestive capacity is not on lock. That is when food seems to be a problem. That is when we develop food sensitivities. That is when we poorly digest food. That is when we start to make these connections where we think, Oh, the dairy is making me break out. Oh, the sugar is making me break out, but really we need to ask the question, how is your body. Breaking down these foods, utilizing these nutrients. Is there something going on with the digestive capacity, with the gut health, with the metabolism, with that internal environment, that internal terrain that is making you bad at using those foods and it is causing reactions and irritations and skin flares and things like that. So let's talk a little bit about how we are going to support the internal environment. For better skin health.
Diane: 38:10
one of the biggest things that we notice is missing from a lot of other approaches when people are doing elimination diets, or perhaps trying to challenge or to reintroduce dairy again, is. That there wasn't this focus on functional support. And a
Track 4: 38:24
moment ago, Adina was talking
Diane: 38:25
about, if you don't use it, you lose it. Right. And in order to break down things like dairy, you need to have lactase those enzymes that are going to
Track 4: 38:34
break down lactose, the sugar in milk. Everyone's
Diane: 38:38
heard a lactose intolerance, right? That is all we see most often when people don't tolerate dairy and that's more of a low function issue than it is an immune driven issue. And what sets the stage for that chronic irritation, whether that is physical stress, mental, emotional, A combination perhaps of all the above and over time that wears away at your resources, that would make it possible for you to break down digest, absorb, and to tolerate foods like dairy. So. What we like to do in nutritional therapy is to focus on replenishing your resources, focusing on functional support
Track 4: 39:14
while perhaps in that healing
Diane: 39:16
phase. Also removing those foods for some time. But what we don't want to do is just do a symptom suppressive diet, where you are removing these foods that are irritating for you right now, and then reintroduce them without any of that work done. Is there anything you want to
Track 4: 39:31
add
Adina: 39:32
yeah, I think so. Practical takeaway here is again, if dairy is a really big issue for you, if there are foods that really you can pinpoint this food gives me a lot of digestive distress or this food gives me an immediate immune reaction. And again, we talked earlier about food sensitivity testing, and we do utilize that with some of our clients. I don't want it to seem like we never think it's appropriate. I think. Oftentimes with skin issues specifically, if you are in an extreme flare and everything is itchy and everything is red and we just can't get it to calm down, sometimes testing those food sensitivities can be helpful. Cause it can be helpful for us to see like what is causing this immediate immune reaction. Cause those reactions can sometimes happen, you know, 72 hours later. So it's hard to kind of pin down exactly what's going on there, but yeah. Utilizing something like a quality food sensitivity test, or just doing an elimination diet to sort of just calm things down, calm that immune system down while we get in there and do some of that gut healing work can be really beneficial. And then making sure that once we remove those foods, like Diane said, we're actually doing the gut healing worth work. So. For targeted, functional support and supplementation. We do recommend working with a practitioner because it can be so individual and there's a lot of stuff going on there. But if you are listening to this and you're wondering, where do I even get started with my gut health? Something that I love to point clients to. I know Diane, you do as well, because it is. So easy. It is so ancestral. And again, it may not seem easy if this is not something that has been part of your routine, but incorporating bone broth on a more regular basis. And it is trending now. I'm sure you've heard of it, but bone broth made correctly. So tons of gelatinous bones steeped in water, you know, you can add some herbs or other vegetables to that for some other
Diane: 41:27
love adding scraps, like saving them.
Adina: 41:30
Yeah. I like to make it in my instant pot, just cause it's super quick. I'm sure that is not how my great-grandmother made it, but, I love using things like knuckle bones, cause they're super
Diane: 41:40
and chicken feet. What do we mean by gelatinous bone? So at the end, I just said knuckle bone. So these can be beef bones, chicken, bones. You could do a blend if you like. I like getting a bag of chicken feet from a local farmer, and this might seem so foreign or kind of. McCobb for some people perhaps, uh, but it is a way to honor the whole animal. And this is what traditional cultures have done across the world. And it is to their health benefit and to honoring the animal's life as well.
Adina: 42:11
Yeah. And you know, I have my Jewish Eastern European background and chicken soup is called the Jewish penicillin. And I am sure that they were not talking about some consume powder in water. This was a gelatinous bone broth that you took out of the fridge and It is jiggly wiggly like Jell-O. And what that does is besides for that incredible mineral content, which is so important, and we'll talk more about minerals, but that gelatinous nature, that structure, that collagen and gelatin that coats your gut lining, and really helps to repair that lining, which can calm a lot of these food sensitivities and immune responses, because those responses are happening when the integrity of our gut lining is irritated. So this is like the. Starter kit the easiest way to start supporting that gut health. And again, you can use things like gelatin powder or collagen powder as well. Those are also going to be really supportive, but that is certainly where I would get started.
Diane: 43:10
and something else here I like to know is that if you see brands in the store that say, Bone broth on the inner aisles of your grocery store, chances are they
Track 4: 43:20
might be shit garbage unless
Diane: 43:22
you are going for a brand that uses pasture raised bones. So this will often be found in a refrigerator freezer section. If you are visiting your local butcher, that's where they will usually keep it, their stock, their, pastured bone broth. But. In the aisles of the grocery store, just be where some brands that are trying to hop on this trend. And I say trend loosely, because like we just said, this has been a healing food healing beverage for hundreds, thousands of years. And so just look at the
Track 4: 43:54
sourcing of where it's from you
Diane: 43:55
want to choose the best quality
Track 4: 43:57
that you can in your unique
Diane: 43:58
budget and sip on it. If you don't like doing that, see where you can add this
Track 4: 44:02
into your routine for cooking, for deglazing your pans,
Diane: 44:05
stew, soups, all that good stuff.
Adina: 44:07
Yeah. And actually I do think it's important to mention here too, if you are in the throws of a itchy skin issue, there is a big histamine component that's going to be there and sometimes the histamine load. Of something like bone broth can be too much for someone that is currently overloaded with some histamine. So if you are really not tolerating bone broth well or gelatin or collagen well and you feel like it just makes you itchier. That's a case where I would certainly try to work with a practitioner because there is going to be a little bit more nuance there with how we handle that histamine
Diane: 44:45
that's a great distinction. Thanks for adding that in. So we love bone broth even through the summer,
Track 4: 44:50
but like Adina was saying gelatin and collagen rich foods,
Diane: 44:53
other places for that. So you may have heard of ways to add in gelatin. We can definitely talk about that in. Upcoming episodes, but, adding something in like this can really help soothe your gut, especially the small intestine that is that really absorbative stretch of your gut lining. And remember that most of your immune system is in your gut and its first job is to keep you alive. So that's where things like normative foods. So we've talked a lot about dairy, but yeah. Certainly it could be other things perhaps for some, even like certain vegetables. Like I like this veggie, why doesn't it like me back? Why do I experience this flare? Right? Your immune system is perhaps on overdrive because it is trying to protect you. But instead of just chasing down things like that, Food sensitivity tests alone. What we want to do is back up and think why, what set the stage for this irritation to happen, the stress and how can we support the root cause of that supporting that function and that healing
Adina: 45:51
Yeah, definitely. And I think I'm sure this. If this is the first time you're hearing any of this information, you are probably craving more. So I'm thinking that we will probably have to do an entire episode on digest, but I do want to touch on another aspect. That's extremely important for. Dealing with skin issues and that is liver health your liver carries out so many functions in your body. And we kind of touched on this a little bit when we talked about juice cleanses in a previous episode. So definitely listen to that, but our liver can get extremely overburdened
Diane: 46:22
the most,
Adina: 46:23
she is doing the most. And she really does so many functions of the body. So, so many functions, and there are so many ways that our modern environment overburdens our liver using toxic personal care products. Again, our environment itself is super estrogenic. It is loaded with harmful, potentially harmful chemicals. So we're really asking our liver to just do so much. Which oftentimes can just overburden the liver and make it difficult for it to clear toxins, clear hormones and these things that are flaring our skin issues. You know, we mentioned just a moment ago about histamine, or there is a big histamine estrogen connection. So if you notice that during the first half of your cycle, your skin issues get way worse, or if you haven't noticed that, and now I've kind of like sparked something for you to pay attention to that. That might be because your liver is really overburdened and really struggling to clear that estrogen and that buildup of estrogen is impacting that histamine load. So there are so many factors here, but definitely if you are struggling with your skin, that liver needs some lovin'
Track 4: 47:35
And so what are you to do, right? And perhaps you're feeling overwhelmed listening to this and what I hear mainstream, or I don't even want to say mainstream, but perhaps in some of the holistic community is to do a liver cleanse, a juice cleanse, which if you listened to one of our past episodes, you know, where a, not about that, your lover, it does do the most, and you do not need to detox.
Diane: 47:57
Do a liver specific detox necessarily, but what can we do is support it in doing its job. So some practical things that you could do is audit your routine. If you use a lot of fragrances or conventional products, making some swaps there. Limiting the amount of refined sugars, processed sweeteners and things that are going to add to that load, assessing the role of alcohol in
Track 4: 48:23
your life perhaps. That's
Diane: 48:24
a big one because alcohol is a toxin. And let's say there are a bunch of things in line to be processed. I'm thinking of like a queue or a line at a store. You got hormones, you've got sugar, everyone's all waiting. Right. And then. Alcohol swings in and cuts to the front of that line. And so your liver is going to deal with that first, right?
Adina: 48:43
Yeah, absolutely. Like if you are drinking alcohol, your liver is like, Oh crap. Everything else we got to do, just shut that down for today. We got to deal with this alcohol over here. So that is always going to be the priority. So make sure that if you were really trying to heal your skin, you're considering the role of alcohol and the role that alcohol is playing in that liver
Diane: 49:05
Yes. Give her less things to deal with. Other things that you can also do to support yourself is some gentle detoxification support. So making sure that you are pooping every day, that's another detox pathway and your liver is going to package up things like your sex hormones for elimination. I'm making sure you're getting movement where you are sweating. And we've talked about that. We definitely will be talking about ways to move your body in a healthy way in future episodes. Anything else you want to
Track 4: 49:34
add here, Adina
Adina: 49:35
yeah, I think we also need to consider the nutrients that the liver needs to do its job. And so quality animal protein. Like quality source, animal protein, and specifically vitamin a. And when we say vitamin a, that is not referring to carrots. I know everyone, like, I mean,
Diane: 49:52
We love carrots.
Adina: 49:53
reasons. Yeah. But people think they're getting their vitamin a from carrots when actually that is beta carotene and our body does not convert that very well. Into vitamin a. And so that vitamin a, that is so supportive of liver health and so supportive of skin health. Again, because of liver health too, is found in things like liver, like chicken liver, beef liver, and again, from quality sources. And if you don't tolerate those things, you can do like a desiccated liver capsule. But getting that in regularly, getting that vitamin a regularly. From that quality animal protein from those organ meats. And again, this is why I love dairy so much. I really think that when you can tolerate dairy the nutrients in dairy, that we really can't find in other foods. Are that game changer for skin health? I really think this is what in recent months has just made such a difference for my keratosis Polaris, because I am going ham on dairy because now that I can tolerate it, my body is craving it and it is doing wonders
Diane: 50:58
Butter is important to us.
Adina: 51:00
is important to me.
Diane: 51:02
That's perhaps my, Oh, I don't know, butter or cheese. If you had to choose one.
Adina: 51:08
Oh, my God, stop. It probably buttered, uh, probably butter just because I use it
Diane: 51:13
Yeah. You can't really cook everything with cheese. I mean, you could try.
Adina: 51:21
All right. So, that's a wrap on liver.
Diane: 51:24
Yeah, we could go deep there for sure.
Adina: 51:26
Yes. What else would you say are like the main players? We talked to gut health. We talked metabolism a little bit. We can certainly give a little more there. But liver health I'd be really mindful of that. And then overall stress load. We talked a little bit about it when it comes to the liver health, but your stress, like we said, impacts your digestion too. It impacts your metabolism impact it impacts your thyroid function as well, which again, super interconnected with your metabolism, super important for skin health, too. Your thyroid is responsible for making sure that your body is utilizing the nutrients from the food that you eat well, processing those metabolizing those. So that's going to really come into
Diane: 52:07
it'll also there's that thyroid to gut connection. Right. And perhaps you're someone who I know has known thyroid issues, maybe you're hyperthyroid or have an autoimmune thyroid condition and you tend towards constipation. And if that is the case, then you're not able to. Eliminate things like estrogen. And
Track 4: 52:29
so they recirculate and what
Diane: 52:30
happens is you can experience things like PMs or other, symptoms of estrogen, dominance, breast tenderness, mood swings, before your period drops. So we want to ensure that you are pooping every day but if you're feeling overwhelmed about supporting your thyroid, supporting your liver, we in nutritional therapy, like to work mouth to tail or top to bottom, so you are not overwhelmed and throwing a scattershot out there. Some things need to be in place first. So that is why we would start with food, seeing where you can improve the quality of the food that you're eating, because you have to eat every day anyway. Right. And the next focusing on gut healing first.
Adina: 53:10
Yeah. And then I would say again, lowering that stress load is going to be super important. So like Diane was just saying how important thyroid function is for digestion actually, like when you're saying, make sure you're pooping every day, that doesn't mean start taking MiraLax every day or upin that benefiber
Track 4: 53:25
Him coffee.
Diane: 53:26
Yes.
Adina: 53:27
Yes. It means support the thyroid so that your digestion is no longer sluggish. And your thyroid is actually supporting your body to clear that estrogen to get you poop in every day. So a really important piece, there is your stress load because when our cortisol, our stress hormone, a survival hormone is high. It kind of plays this inverse relationship with our thyroid hormone. So your thyroid hormone. Your progesterone production, which is so important for skin health. Those things will be down-regulated when that cortisol is too high. So one of the biggest things that you can do for your thyroid health, again, that's going to impact your liver health. That's going to impact your metabolism. That's going to impact your digestion. It's all connected, everything we're sharing today. Everything is so connected. So it's not like. Oh, I have to tackle this gigantic list. A lot of the things that we're suggesting support all of these different functions. So if you really focus on getting that stress down and again, that is by removing really processed and irritating foods, those artificial sweeteners, those processed
Diane: 54:37
and irritating people. Right? Cause we were talking about a stress load, not only in a physical sense, but mental and emotional and environmental as well. So there are a lot of things you don't have control over, but in this functional medicine functional nutrition approach, we want to consider all kinds of stressors. And what do you have capacity to remove out of your. Using air quotes here, your bucket to lighten that load on your body and support its ability to heal naturally.
Adina: 55:03
Yeah. So again, we talked last week about your fitness and if that is stressful to the body, and if you listened to last episode and you were like, what does my Peloton have to do with my period? And now you're listening to this episode and you're like, what does my Peloton have to do with my skin? But it is super important. If you are exposing yourself to too much stress in the gym, we need to find that Goldilocks amount of stress in the gym. If you are just. Killing yourself into the ground for 55 minutes, six days a week. That cortisol load is way too high. It's going to shut down that thyroid function. It's going to shut down that progesterone function, which progesterone is our glowy skin hormone. It is our magical sleep hormone, and it's really important for opposing estrogen. So again, like we mentioned, estrogen histamine connection that is flaring your skin issues and we need progesterone. To calm it down. We need thyroid. We need progesterone. These are important and cortisol impacts our ability to produce those hormones. So really, really think about the role that stress is playing in your life. Think about the power of the word, no saying no to things that are just too much for your stress load. If healing your skin is really a priority for you and you just want to get out of that itchy life or that breakout life, you need to start saying no, and you need to really evaluate. The role of stress in your life and where you can either reduce stress, take things out of the bucket, or increase your capacity to tolerate stress by again, supporting yourself via quality, nutrient dense foods, really restorative sleep. Really, really deep nutrition.
Diane: 56:41
that sleep is one that can often fall by the wayside, especially with our clients who. And if you're in a stage of life, if you have littles, I know that it might be something that you just of control, right. But others who are all about never miss a Monday or getting in that morning workout, but at the expense of their resilience and their healing, that's something to think about. So maybe you're not yet at seven to eight hours, but can you start to move your hands? Your bedtime back a little bit each night and focus on that or do things to support your sleep environment. And as we're working on lowering stress physically like managing your blood sugar, you should be able to sleep more soundly too. So this is how it's all interconnected. It is a. Dance. And so as far as some actual takeaways, as we round out this episode and reminders for you, some things that we encourage you to do to help support healthy skin from within is where can you remove some of these inflammatory for you foods? You might know what some of those are right now. So again, For our experiences. And for that of many of our clients, maybe that's conventional dairy or lots of processed foods, packaged foods, right? How can you also look at your routine and see where you can add some more
Track 4: 58:02
intentional rest and keep
Diane: 58:04
those boundaries with others and with yourself in service of lowering your stress load?
Adina: 58:09
Yeah. And like you said, inflammatory for you foods. I think we should also talk about inflammatory in general foods. So. Let's look at those processed oils, those processed inflammatory oils. They are not doing your skin a favor. They are slowing down your metabolism. They are impacting your body's ability to use things like sugar. So if you're a person who feels like sugar just makes you feel like trash garbage, and you feel like it breaks your skin out, let's ask, is it the processed fats that you are eating that are making your cells bad at using sugar? When I say sugar, I mean, Carbs in general. I mean, honey maple syrup, organic cane sugar. Yeah. Even fruit. If you feel like trash, when you eat fruits, let's talk about what your cells are using that sugar for. Are they even able to recognize and use that sugar? So I would say my big one is ditch processed, inflammatory vegetable
Diane: 59:06
Frank and fats as I like to call them.
Adina: 59:10
and I would work on replacing those. With quality saturated fat. That is going to be the answer to your skin health. If anyone ever responds to any of my Instagram stories and tell me that my skin looks like it's glowing. I'm just like, it's the butter.
Diane: 59:26
Oh, we love butter butter, please sponsor us.
Adina: 59:29
Yes. Butter butter. If you're listening, if you're listening, please
Diane: 59:34
We want that yellow, yellow butter, those yellow yolks from happy eggs. Finally, you want to spend a moment here talking about hydration now you've heard, drink your water. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we want to go and take that a little bit further and see where we can add some quality sea salt minerals to your routine, because that will equip you, your body, your liver, your adrenals, with the resources they need in order to help lower that stress load and to hold onto that hydration. Right? So. If you are someone who drinks, filtered water, reverse osmosis water, things that we call a dead water, right? They are devoid of minerals and electrolytes. You need to hold onto that hydration that could be dehydrating you. So something that you could take away practically from this is to add a pinch of sea salt to your water. This is not like a teaspoon, a teaspoon or something where you're drinking ocean water by any means, but you're still a little pinch. We'll do ya.
Adina: 1:00:37
Yeah, I was actually just talking to my strong foundations group this week, about how, like, it sounds crazy, but our environment is just so devoid of minerals now. And if you're a person who feels like you're drinking water all day long, you're drinking the amount you're supposed to drink, but you're just like peeing all day. That is a sign that you are not absorbing and utilizing that water. It could also be related to your metabolism, which again, minerals are going to improve. So sea salt is important. Put that sea salt in your water. And I was saying that when I first got started doing this, I felt like my water tasted salty. And now if I drink water without salt, I'm like why it doesn't taste like anything.
Diane: 1:01:15
They're not rocks. They're minerals, Marie, any breaking bad FA fans out there. I think of that every time we talk about minerals.
Adina: 1:01:23
Love it. Love it. All right. So hopefully that is some actionable steps for you. I know we went through a lot again, we will be going deeper on a lot of this stuff in some future episodes, but those are some actionable takeaways that you can incorporate right now to move your skin in a better direction. I hope you guys enjoyed this episode, Diane, what should we leave them with today?
Diane: 1:01:47
hydrated and get some rest and get your rotisserie chicken glow on.
Adina: 1:01:54
Oh, yeah, we got you glow in it like that. Costco rotisserie chicken. So thank you guys for listening again. We absolutely love when you share our episodes on your stories. When you tag us, when you show us that you're listening, when you give us suggestions for episode topics, and when you leave us those five start reviews, we love it. Love it. Leave us those reviews, ladies. Uh, so yeah, we'll see you
