EP 7 - DAIRY DEBUNKED: PART 1
We’re dedicating the next 2 episodes to a highly requested and often misunderstood topic: dairy! From butter and cheese to milk and ice cream, these are foods so many of us love...that may not love us back right now.
In this week’s episode we tackle common myths around this controversial food. Many of them were stories we held to be true until the past couple of years! We share why dairy may be causing your body to raise an alarm via: bubble guts or breakouts, and alternatives that don’t suck.
Finally, we break down how things went awry with dairy over the past century and what we really mean when we talk about high-quality dairy.
If you’re someone who thinks you need to permanently exclude dairy, or you feel surprised to hear that it can have its place in a nourishing diet...tune in!
We covered a lot in this episode! Stay tuned for Ep8 - Dairy Debunked Part 2 where we talk about how to get dairy to follow you back and answer listener questions about dairy!
In this episode of Get Your Shit Together we chat about:
🧡 Antisemitism: A call-in for our listeners
🧡 “Is dairy inflammatory?” and other common myths
🧡 Why does dairy hurt your tum? What may be happening behind the scenes
🧡 History of conventional dairy and what went awry
🧡 What makes high quality dairy and swaps if you aren’t down with dairy right now
Resources & Good Shit
Episodes
What We’re Consuming
Girls5Eva: another quirky, fun show from Tina Fey [our fave!]...another reason to get a Peacock subscription for those who loved 30 Rock and Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt.
Over the Moon: It’s Asian American Pacific Islander (AAPI) Heritage Month! Add this cuteee animated family-friendly film to your Netflix queue.
Adina made a delish cheesecake for Shavuot! She baked it using Frosting & Fettuccine’s perfect cheesecake instructions.
We both have been making incredible churned ice cream using this machine!
More Good Shit
Don’t say anything if you see Diane wearing this cozy lounge set that matches Doug the Pug every day of the week. It’s soft. It came with all 3 pieces [SO rude when sets are sold separately, like, what? Bundle that shit]. Thank you, Instagram Ads.
If you need a laugh, watch Doug the Pug screaming like a monkey pig.
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Transcript
Transcript was auto-generated! There may be some errors, but you get the…GYST 😜
Diane: 0:30
Hello? Hello and welcome back to G Y S T Adina. Good morning. How are you doing over there?
adina: 0:40
I am doing all right. I am excited to record with you today. I would be remiss if I did not mention what it feels like to be a Jew in America right now. Um, if this is the first you're hearing of this, let me open your ear balls. Just a little bit to what has been going on, um, as you are probably well aware of, there is quite a situation in the middle East Israel, Palestine. It is nothing new. This is hundreds of years old, this conflict, and it is new. However, to social media I am not going to be talking politics on here. I am not really, it is not my responsibility to educate you on this. However, the media and specifically social media is extremely one-sided. And I don't want to say this side, that side. I think that is part of the problem. I think at the end of the day, innocent people are being caught in the crossfire on both sides. And my heart is broken for innocent Palestinians that are being murdered, that are being injured and innocent Israelis that are being injured as well. And my friends in Israel, I do have a lot of friends and family in Israel who are spending their nights in bomb shelters with their babies. And it's heartbreaking. And it really is heartbreaking. And outside of all of that, my big issue with all of this is that a lot of leaders are telling people it is okay to be anti Zionist. It doesn't make you an anti-Semite. And the issue with that is that while that is true, you know, I have said this before semantically, that is true. And for some people they might be anti Zionist without being antisemites. However, antisemitism is a hatred as old as time. And there are a lot of people who have just been hiding away, hating Jews for a long time, and now they feel it is okay to get out in the streets and start attacking Jews in broad daylight, because everyone's okay with it right now. And. If you have, if this is the first you are hearing this, I encourage you to seek out some other news sources and watch videos of Jews being beat up in broad daylight in New York, in Toronto, in California, just friends, family, restaurants, I've been to synagogues. I've been to, it's just getting scary and people can ask all the time, how could the Holocaust happened? Like open your eyes and watch what is going on around you. It's I'm, you know, this is a, this is a fun podcast and we will get into all of that. But I do want you to be very aware. If you have Jewish friends check on them. If you were extremely outspoken and you are an activist and you were extremely outspoken when other populations were being oppressed. Please take a second to check yourself and ask yourself deeply. Am I, am I implicitly anti-Semitic? Is this a system I am a part of because it doesn't feel fun. It feels scary and it feels scary to walk around. It feels scary to see my husband, my father and my brothers go off to a synagogue and, and wonder if someone's just going to be angry, you know? So anyways,
Diane: 4:21
Oh, my friend. I cannot imagine how you have been feeling. And I am sending you a big hug from over here. I know that you're coming into this week after a holiday, too, and to catch up or to get online and to see these things, I can imagine how hurtful that is, especially when you know that there are some people who are not hearing other perspectives or honoring others lived experiences. And that's just so upsetting. I see you and I love you. And yes, I, I wish I had more people would open their eyes to. Understanding and hearing other perspectives and instead of just blindly resharing, a carousel post and so on, because oftentimes that is not the full story. So, uh, I just want to send you a big hug and.
adina: 5:12
I feel it. Your love is felt Diane is such a special friend. You really are. And I have felt your support so much in the last two weeks.
Diane: 5:19
You are so loved my friend. I am always here for you anytime. And I know that there is so, so much that I can do to learn and to expand my understanding of what's going on and what has been going on for decades where centuries. I'm thankful for you and what you've shared with me so far. I want to know if there's one thing that you want for our audience to walk away understanding or thinking about what might that be?
adina: 5:47
good question. Um, it is certainly difficult to boil it down. This is, again, going on in the middle east is extremely complicated and anyone. That denies that it is complicated is really not telling you the whole story. And so I do, and again, I am still navigating. Quote, unquote truth, because I was raised one way and I have learned other things as I've grown. And so there is no like one good answer of what is the thing you need to learn about this conflict? I think. Recognizing that there is a lot of context needed for a lot of the things that you are seeing. That's a huge piece. Like context is so important and seeking out people that you are not learning from. If you are continuing to see only one narrative represented over and over and over again. And that narrative is being boiled down to infographics and little catchy jingles and things like that. Like let's. Let's dig into it and try to learn from other's lived experiences and gain more context and speak to people. Like speak to other people than the people that you are currently speaking to and listen to other people. I think that's a huge piece of it. And again, like I said, context, context is so important. I think something that has bothered me very recently in this conversation, like I mentioned, just not feeling safe and. All of my friends and family, not feeling safe. That is a really big problem. And we should want peace and safety for everyone. We are not okay unless everyone feels safe. And you know, that that's true of everyone. Like I said, we really need everyone to feel safety and that comes with listening and conversations. And I think that. Another piece that, again, like I mentioned, has been kind of a problem for me recently was when I finally felt like some of my friends were listening and sharing about antisemitism and the huge issue that it is, I did encounter people saying that Jews are currently weaponizing their anti-Semitism or. Jews are playing the anti-Semitism card. Like that is not a thing that is happening. Jews do not feel safe. And that needs to be a concern for a lot of people. So context again, context is so important. My grandparents, my father's parents. So this is one generation removed from me. Were in Auschwitz were in concentration camps were worked to the bone survived. Nobody knows how, you know, like th the conditions were horrible. And if you have not learned about the Holocaust, that's a really great place to start educating yourself about historic antisemitism. And so for me to now be reliving fear of will the world be silent when Jews are being attacked in the streets. That is just really uncomfortable. And if you have been silent, if you have not even been seeing that Jews are not safe, let's think about who we are listening to, where we are getting our information. Can we broaden that? Can we diversify, can we add context to this story? I think that is extremely important. So I know that was a lot. I know that was intense and. That is just the reality of what is going on. And I think as our listeners and our friends, it's really important that I share that with you. And again, just give you some more context in this conversation and just let you know about these lived experiences and, and what I am feeling and what my friends are feeling. And my family is feeling.
Diane: 9:49
Thank you so much for sharing friend. And again, I can't imagine what it's been like for you for the last couple of weeks. And it is like you said, not your job to educate everyone about this, but I love what you said about inviting everyone to listen, to understand, and to look back at history and to what has been happening and not just at these. Posts that are shared sometimes reactively. So, or that are only sharing one piece of a story. So I hope that everyone comes away from this with compassion for others, and to really open their eyes to other lived experiences. All of that said, how are you taking care of yourself this week?
adina: 10:33
Ooh. Um, well, it's been, you know, the usual, the things we talk about seeking friends, support, talking to the people who will listen, just seeking out that, those virtual hugs and that love. And we got to get a real hug in the books. You need to hop on a plane and come for a shabbos really soon. Outside of that. I know we talk a lot about Maslow's hierarchy of needs and just how important it is to feel safe in order to be creative or produce things. And so certainly as a person who runs my own business and every part of my business is things that come out of my brain and my hands. Like it's, it's been really challenging for sure. Just with. that's been going on. But my ancestors did before me, I have been turning to comedy to sort out some of this trauma. So. Dani. And I know last week we talked a little bit about some stressy depressing stuff. We were all watching, but this week we have been just dipping it into the half hour comedies. We are deep in the new brain child of Tina Fey and Robert Carlock.
Diane: 11:56
favorite. We love Tina.
adina: 11:58
Yes. If you watch 30 rock, if you watched Kimmy Schmidt, we are now watching a show called Girls 5 Eva, and it is great. It's quirky. It's weird. It's the mile a minute comedy where it's just an absolute joke machine. It's. About a group of girls that were like a girl band in the late nineties, early two thousands, I believe. And they're now like in their forties and trying to reunite, and it is just silly and a blast and I highly recommend it.
Diane: 12:29
is it like Romy and Michele's high school reunion, but with like singing more singing.
adina: 12:35
that's a funny comparison. It's it's kind of like, you're just watching these 40 year old women try to like. Relive their pop career. I can't really give you much more. It's so different than what I'm saying. It's just a Tina Fey, Robert Carlock silly joke machine. And like the plot is irrelevant, you know,
Diane: 12:57
Just quirky. So many good layers. 30 rock is one of my absolute favorites. And I love anything that Tina Fey does.
adina: 13:04
Yes, don't we all, And the cast is so hilarious. It's busy Phillips, Paula Pell, like Paula Pell is the wild card, but she's hilarious. Sarah Barelas so like, she's not so funny. Yeah. She's she's
Diane: 13:22
I think she a singer.
adina: 13:23
So they do sing a bit on the show. So I guess they were looking for
Diane: 13:26
Oh, Oh. Oh, if you don't know Diane doesn't love musicals.
adina: 13:31
it's not a musical. It just like,
Diane: 13:33
Oh, well they're the best. They're a band. Right. But,
adina: 13:36
it's not a musical. It's more like, you know how in 30 rock there would be like, Jenna Maroney would sing my muffin top is all that. So it kind of feels like that where there's like, so
Diane: 13:46
I almost spit out my coffee because Jenna is one of my favorites. One 30 rock.
adina: 13:50
So it's, it's like that like, or like werewolf bar mitzvah, like the songs are kind of just like playing over some stuff. It's not like a full on musical. Uh Musicale but, um, and then it's
Diane: 14:02
Thank dog.
adina: 14:03
Oh, what's her name? She plays Angelica in Hamilton. Um, she played in the original cast. Renee, Elise Goldsberry. Which we saw her in that role. Um, I know outside of New York, it's like not as popular to have seen the original cast of Hamilton. But I will say we paid way too much for tickets in the literal back row of the theater. And it
Diane: 14:33
Oh, and M nosebleeds.
adina: 14:34
Yeah, but it was still extremely incredible experience. But anyways, it's girls, FIBA is hilarious. If you enjoyed 30 rock Kimmy Schmidt,
Diane: 14:46
Oh, did I? Yes. All right. I'll watch it.
adina: 14:50
hangup is that it's on peacock. So it's like another streaming service. Uh,
Diane: 14:55
but the office is there now.
adina: 14:58
30 rock. So we are currently on the free trial. I will obviously be signing up so he could finish the show and probably watch others. Maybe I'll like split it with my brother because it's getting out of hand. We're just like recreating cable with all of these subscriptions.
Diane: 15:17
all right. We have all of them. I think we just said goodbye to Disney plus for now, but we need to finish the Mandalorian. Also. I haven't been watching as much TV and film this past week. What was I doing? Playing in the garden, but I did start watching this movie called over the moon and it was such a cute animated film. I think it might actually be by Netflix, but I just love seeing more, uh, Asian American Pacific Islanders on stories. They're celebrating Asian American AAPI month here in may. Right now, if you're listening in may and just love seeing that representation and more movies and characters, where there are. Asian characters and like their role isn't that they are the Asian character. So that makes me so happy to see. And it's just, the animation is super, super cute. So we've been getting into that on a, well, I guess this is a not food related note, but some S some shit I liked this week, lounge sets are moving from my Costco capsule wardrobe of sweat sweatpants into, I found this set probably through an Instagram ad, and I'm not mad at it. It is tan. It is the same color as my pugs, so that's fantastic. But it came with like a bralette. These high-waisted like cozy leggings. It's like the material of a robe that I had a few years ago and a really long cardigan. So if you see me wearing this, like every day on my story, when I'm inside, don't say anything just it's so good. Uh, I can link it down in our resources, but then I found a bunch of other dupes so there are tons out there. It's like this Chanel fabric. It's so, so soft. So cozy and Doug may or may not have ripped a little hole in it the first day that I got it. I'm trying to snuggle, but it's fine. It's okay. We're still wearing
adina: 17:09
he also was probably confused because you looked like his leg.
Diane: 17:14
Yeah. Wait, did I tell you about this? He actually did. I was bending over trying to connect the sprinkler or something, and he saw me from behind and he started guard dog, full body, 18 pounds of him barking at me. And I was like, Doug it's me. Didn't recognize me. So I just kind of like did a little booty shake. He got even more scared, mad, upset only to discover that it was me a giant pug in his yard.
adina: 17:41
Oh, my
Diane: 17:41
It was hilarious if anyone needs a laugh. You have to see Doug, my pugs screaming like a pig, like monkey. Sometimes people have thought why's that woman's screaming. It's in the dog's highlight on my Instagram. And sometimes I'll periodically watch it, or people will DM me and say like I watched this 10 times. It's so funny.
adina: 18:01
He is nuts.
Diane: 18:03
But beyond that on a food related that note in this carries us into today's episode topic. A couple of episodes ago, Adina was talking about the ice cream that she was making. So I ran after we record recorded too.
adina: 18:16
that episode, bully Diane into buying an ice cream maker, it worked.
Diane: 18:20
She bullied me into buying an ice cream maker. I mean, she didn't, I have to twist my arm very hard. I was like, I need this. Yeah. There are no true ice creams out there that are still fantastic. I'm sure. But I can't stop. Won't stop. Especially after a successful high quality dairy reintroduction. Last couple of years, I am just so excited to have dairy without consequences. We talked about this on our, how the skin from within what consequences mean toot toot beep beep. I I'm obsessed. Like my brother yesterday said, let's go walk and get ice cream. I'm like, Ugh, I'll meet you at the park. I'll bring some dark chocolate. Justin's peanut butter cup ice cream that I whipped up Adina and I use basically the same recipe of adding a bunch of pastured, happy egg yolks to it. It's so creamy and we get milk from a local farm Two sparrows farm. I'm obsessed I need toopen ice cream truck.
adina: 19:12
good. Yeah. We're going to talk more about that on this week's episode, but the dairy obsession. Is for good reason, like our body craves things we need, you know, so when people are like, Oh, I'm dieting, but I can't quit my ice cream. It's like, don't like, don't do that because your
Diane: 19:30
Why would you.
adina: 19:31
wants that. It needs that. And so we'll talk more about what those cravings mean and why we do crave ice cream a little bit later on, but my, what are we consuming is also dairy related today because as we mentioned, it was just a Jewish holiday. The holiday of Shavuot or Shavuous is if you are more Ashkenazi Eastern European, that is probably your pronunciation. Um, and on this holiday Jews have a custom to eat dairy. Generally, we are quite the meat eaters on our holidays. We believe that meat and wine is an important part of every celebration. However, We do turn to dairy on this holiday.
Diane: 20:13
When we first met, I think you told me about this holiday and you called it the cheesecake holiday
adina: 20:19
yes, that is because we, a lot of people eat cheesecake on this holiday because cheesecake's a great dairy dessert. And since most Jews tend to eat meat on other holidays, this, I don't know why this just became the cheesecake holiday. Everyone makes cheesecake there's nothing in scripture about eating cheesecake on this holiday. It just like became,
Diane: 20:41
it became.
adina: 20:41
the cheesecake holiday. But I had a coworker when I was working in a boutique fitness studio in New York. And he was like from deep Texas. And when I told him about this holiday, his reaction was y'all have a cheesecake holiday and Dani and I just can't stop saying that. So
Diane: 20:59
So that's how it evolved at least in your houses as a cheesecake holiday. And you're also close to New York where you, where there is incredible cheesecake.
adina: 21:09
Because this is our cheesecake holiday. I made a cheese cake with wonderful ingredients that was so delicious. So the crust I made out of the simple mills pecan cookies, and I crumbled those up with a stick of butter. And then I made the filling with some grassfed organic cream cheese and pasture raised eggs, sugar, vanilla. And I think I did a tiny bit of arrowroot powders to thicken it. Just, uh, just a bit.
Diane: 21:44
hot tip. That's a good cornstarch standing.
adina: 21:46
yes. And. I baked it using my friends, Sam from frosting and fettuccine. Her cheesecake instructions are incredible. They will make you a perfect cheesecake every time. So I followed those and it was creamy. Sweet, delicious. I don't do like sour cream in there cause I don't like it too, too sour. I'm more of a sweet cheesecake kind of gal. So I did that. And then I made basically like a chocolate ganache with some heavy whipping cream and some chocolate chips. And I'd like marble that in there. And man, Oh man, it was
Diane: 22:19
my God. Do you have a picture?
adina: 22:21
I don't, but it was quite delicious.
Diane: 22:25
Well, just listen. I'm just going to listen back to that part a few times and just drool over here. Maybe that's what I have to do next with our milk and cream, we get from our farmer Jamo. Well, that's a very, um, dairy episode, topic and dessert.
adina: 22:44
guys. This was not planned. Diane and I just love dairy. And we want to share with you how you can love it too.
Diane: 22:51
honestly, truly, if you told me that I would be talking about this and doing well with high quality dairy a couple of years ago, or that things like ice cream on and cheese and fit into my routine and be things that are nourishing for my body. I wouldn't believe you I'd be like, no, no, no way. I got to pound these nut milks forever and ever. Um, and we're going to talk about that a little bit further, but first we want to talk about a lot of the common stories you may have heard about dairy. Perhaps these are things that you follow now or still hold to be true. We want to debunk some of those dairy myths. So let's get into that. One of the first ones that we hear people say is, well, no mammals drink other mammals milk.
adina: 23:36
uh, you know, I feel about this one, like no mammals drive cars or play X-Box or write novels. Like we are so different than all other animals that it is crazy
Diane: 23:50
have thumbs.
adina: 23:51
have thumbs, people do such crazy things to justify their dietary choices. It's so interesting to me that that's a conversation we're having like, yes, humans drink breast milk, just like all other animals, but then we go on to use technology. And why shouldn't we drink the milk of other mammals, if it is super nourishing and delicious,
Diane: 24:22
right. Why not? On that one? I think the biggest thing about dairy that we hear though, is that it is inflammatory, right? So we talked a little bit about this in the healthy skin from within episode, we'll link that below. But what we want for you to understand is that a lot of that research was based on flawed research about saturated fat, pour saturated, fat, pour butter and eggs. Those have all been villainized on and off over the last hundred years, perhaps more or perhaps longer.
adina: 24:52
As we, like to say, margarine is the criminal and dairy got framed for crimes that margarine committed. So a lot of that research that says that dairy is inflammatory. It is based on the research around saturated fat, because saturated fat was assumed to be inflammatory. When we know that saturated fat is actually quite stable and unsaturated fat is quite inflammatory and has. The potential to oxidize far quicker than say a stable fat like saturated fat
Diane: 25:30
so both heat, heat, stable, when you're cooking with it, it has a higher smoke point. So we love well butter. We can burn your butter. And that's very sad when that happens and you forget it in your pen, but you can use ghee, but also. Um, dairy is very stable in the body. Not going to be as inflammatory, unless there are things we got to work on, which again, we're going to talk about here soon, but Oh gosh, it was unsaturated fats or those polyunsaturated fats, uh,frankenfats, as I like to call them margarine vegetable oils that are highly processed and refined. They have given good quality nourishing, whole foods, such a bad rap and wrongly. So, so that's the case with dairy with red meat as well. It really is that polyunsaturated fat and those highly refined oils that are more pro-inflammatory for you. And it just really got misconstrued somewhere along the line nine.
adina: 26:24
Yeah. So what I will say about that is that dairy is inflammatory. That is a myth. Dairy is not inherently inflammatory. Dairy is quite stable and the saturated fat content can actually help to lower inflammation. If you are a person who feels like you eat dairy and then enter a situation with inflammation, we need to talk about if dairy is inflammatory for you currently because of quality of dairy gut environment, like all this stuff that we're going to get into today. But dairy is inflammatory that as a statement is not true,
Diane: 27:02
right. We have to look at the quality and not only the, in the dairy itself, but also in the gut function and health of your body and how it tolerates it.
adina: 27:12
right? Like conventional. Dairy that is injected with tons of artificial sweeteners and various synthetic vitamins minerals. Like whatever that is inflammatory, that can be very inflammatory. And I would say is inflammatory. I think that is a fair sentence. But
Diane: 27:36
yeah. Was conventional
adina: 27:37
yes, but high quality dairy from animals that were fed their natural diet that lived in happy conditions. Dairy as a food is not inherently inflammatory.
Diane: 27:49
Shall we clarify for any of those wondering what exactly conventional dairy is?
adina: 27:54
I think we'll get into it a bit later on in the episode is I know we made a note to talk more about dairy quality, what to look for in dairy and what is really important when it comes to quality dairy. So I think we'll, we'll break it down a little later on, but when we say conventional dairy, yeah. We'll come back to it, but we're generally just referring to. Conventional farming from conventionally raised animals. They might be injected with hormones, antibiotics. The product might be then stripped of its natural fats injected with synthetic sugars, synthetic vitamins, minerals, uh, all kinds of fun stuff. But yeah, we will, we'll get into the nitty gritty a little bit later on in the episode
Diane: 28:31
We just debunk the myth that dairy is an inflammatory food, but perhaps you are someone who is going through it right now with skin conditions, whether that is breakouts or eczema. And perhaps you feel, no, this is definitely inflammatory for me. And so we want to talk a little bit more about that. We did cover this a bit in the healthy skin from within episode, but if you are someone who feels as though you are breaking out because of dairy, what we want to share with you is that it's not dairy. It could be the gut environment
adina: 29:02
it's not dairy. It's you?
Diane: 29:06
Yeah. So what we want to do is to tend your terrain, to really bring up more balance to it and strengthen the function in your gut so that you can tolerate high quality dairy in time. So if you have been through a lot of chronic stress, mentally, emotionally, perhaps, had known or unknown food sensitivities over time, all of this is going to stress the gut. And what that does is lowers the function of it, including the production of lactase, that enzyme that's going to help you break down lactose. So you maybe heard people talk about their lactose intolerance and. Bubble guts, the things that happened when they happened to have dairy. And so oftentimes what is behind that is having a lactose intolerance. And unfortunately, a lot of our conventional dairy is going to be without those crucial enzymes to help break that down.
adina: 30:00
Yeah, so we talk about, right, like dairy isn't inherently inflammatory, but maybe it's inflammatory for you, or maybe you feel like it's inflammatory for you. We want you to understand that. Every body has a different siren for certain things that are going on in the gut environment. So whether that's for, you know, that could be genetic, what your siren tends to be. For me, it was eczema for Diane. It was acne. And this is a way that our body is telling us like something is going on inside that I need you to deal with. And for me to think, like growing up, I thought, Oh, eczema runs in my family. That is not necessarily the case. The possibility for eczema runs in my family. Like that will be a siren for people in my family. We are genetically predisposed to present with eczema when that gut environment is so irritated. And yes, there, again, we've talked about this in our skin episode, there can be a topical component to these things, but I saw very clearly in my own body and work that I did with tons of clients that, that eczema alarm system. Happens when that gut environment is compromised.
Diane: 31:16
Right. Similarly, as I worked on healing, my gut, I noticed such an improvement in my skin. And the only variable that had changed was the things I was eating and the things I was doing in my food and lifestyle. I still had excellent skincare. And so we want to share this with you and reiterate it again because we want you to know that it is possible to change your relationship with dairy, to get it, to follow you back. We also want to talk a little
adina: 31:39
can we take a second there? I, Diane wrote that in our notes and I laughed so hard. She's like one of, one of the things I want to cover today is how do we get dairy to follow me back like that? If that isn't the most older millennial, are we older millennials? No, we're just millennials.
Diane: 31:54
I think so. Yeah. We're still millennials. We're like on the, on the cusp there. I think,
adina: 31:58
isn't the most millennial way to frame a relationship with dairy, I don't know. What is,
Diane: 32:04
I mean, I like her. Why didn't she like me? I mean, We tried so hard to get along. We're we're finally together again. Now we touched on a lactose intolerance, but we want to clarify for you the difference between a dairy intolerance versus a immune reactions and the types of food allergies that you might experience, because there are different mechanisms that you can have, for experiencing a reaction to dairy. So we talked about those visible expressions perhaps, right. But what is going on internally? So to clarify for you, a lactose intolerance is when we're not producing enough lactase that digestive enzyme in order to break those things down in order to break dairy in order to, Oh my God. In order to digest lactose the sugar and dairy, but you might also have an immune driven reaction. We see this often when we do functional lab testing with our one-on-one clients. So Adina tell us a little bit more about how you can have an immune driven reaction to dairy. Yeah.
adina: 33:07
right. So what Diane is bringing up is there are different types of reactions. You can experience a dairy, right? So you have your intolerance, which I know a lot of people are familiar with. That is all the people who take like a Lactaid pill when they go to eat dairy. And that helps them. And again, I always want to be thinking, how can we get our body to start making that enzyme again? So we don't need to ingest it exogenously outside of the body. And. Is it bad to take a Lactaid pill and eat dairy? No, but when the body is not producing something, there's a reason and we can better support function to get your body to do that on its own. And then there is this whole category of immune reactions to dairy. So that would include things like what we talked about with eczema, acne, your immune system has different mechanisms of function. So there are food sensitivities that come from immune driven reactions that are also straight up food allergies. So if you go get tested at like an allergist, that's a different thing. They are measuring, you know, some people experienced anaphylaxis. Those are a certain type of immune reactions, which would mean you should avoid dairy. Right? We're not really going to cover that today. We are talking about
Diane: 34:20
Yeah. And you know, if you have one of those, those are significant.
adina: 34:24
around an epi pen, you know what you need to ask the server at a restaurant like that is an allergy. That is a true allergy, and that is an immune function, but there is also an immune function called a food sensitivity, which you can grow in and out of based on how you support your body. And so you might present as sensitive to certain foods in this moment in time and not present a sensitive to those foods. In other moments in time, again, based on how you are supporting that gut function and everything going on in there. So that is what we are measuring for. When we utilize food sensitivity testing with our clients, We use a blood test that measures the immune system response to certain foods. And again, Not that everyone needs food, sensitivity testing,
Diane: 35:22
Yeah. In fact, I, I want to reiterate here that, because this is something that comes up a lot. Imagine you can get this question a lot to Adina is that we never ever do this food sensitivity test that we use by itself because we want to figure out why. And if you have had a lot of chronic stress, uh, whether that is mental, emotional, physical, all of it, right. All contributes to your stress load, your body and your immune system's first job is to keep you alive. So it's going to throw up these flags to otherwise normative foods. So it might be dairy, but someone, one of mine was peaches. One of my highly reactive foods. When I did this test, I'm like, what's wrong with peaches? They're not a threat. They're not in foreign invader, but if your guts been through it, it's like, we're going to air on caution. We're going to throw up this red flag. But, we really want for you to know that. Never recommend doing food sensitivity testing by itself because that doesn't get to the root cause of why that happened in the first place.
adina: 36:17
And that's like, we always talk about these symptom suppressive diets, where people are just avoiding food groups that give them certain symptoms, or somebody told them, gives people that have their conditions, certain symptoms, which again, those can be an okay thing for a short term while you are healing the gut. Like you can remove dairy for a time when you are working on digestive function, but I don't recommend, again, out of the presence of a true allergy, I don't recommend removing dairy as a food group. Long-term it's just, it's so valuable as a food. Let's talk more about why you cannot digest it. So that's kind of what I wanted to explain about dairy intolerances, vs. Immune reactions. Uh, but now I want to get into. Why does dairy hurt my Tumtum let's break it down and understand why dairy is so problematic for so many people.
Diane: 37:15
Yeah. So let's talk about how dairy can go from quality to a mess real quick through that conventional dairy processing. So of course, with conventional dairy, there's the issue of taking a product just straight out of a cow that is sick. It's sad. It lives a very unfortunate existence in CAFO, concentrated animal feedlot organizations, right? So that's not, we can all agree. That's not good quality life for a cow, but then
adina: 37:44
well if someone has never heard this before, let's explain to them why, so that milk is going to hold whatever the animal was experiencing. So, first of all, if that animal was riddled with stress hormones, from that experience that is in that milk, if that animal was injected with synthetic hormones and antibiotics, to keep it from dying from such sickly conditions. That animal is still sick and those antibiotics and those hormones will be in that milk. So really understanding that the quality of the milk is determined by how that animal was treated. So the way an animal was raised and what it was injected with makes a very big difference in the quality of the milk. So just straight off the bat, what's coming out of that cow is quite, quite scary.
Diane: 38:39
yes, they've led a sad life and they also have not been able to go out on pasture, which is how cows should be living and eating is grazing on and rotating on grass. So when they are living their entire lives, this way through conventional farming, many of them have never really had, have never had an opportunity to go outside unless perhaps when they were littlebaybays, but that's quite rare as well. So you take. Sad animal making sad milk. And that milk is further destroyed through the process of pasteurization and homogenization and growing up, I thought, okay, this is, this makes this product safe. And that is why it came about first, right. Was to preserve the quality of this milk of milk.
adina: 39:25
Well to lengthen the shelf life too. right?
Diane: 39:28
right? Yeah. Lengthen the shelf life, but also to, so homogenization we'll start there. Homogenization is the process of emulsifying the milk or make it making it so the fat does not rise to the top. So it's more creamy. And in contrast, if you ever have bought milk from a farmer that is a not pastures. That is not homogenous. Excuse me. Then you'll notice that it's, that fat is sitting on top and you have to shake it up. That is probably how our great grandparents got their milk when it was delivered or, you know, before this process really was commonplace everywhere. So that's my homogenization. But what that does is it destroys or damages the quality of the protein, the fat, the enzymes in the milk. And then that is a further damage through the process of pasteurization, which again like Adina was saying is to extend shelf life, but also to make that milk little more safe, especially when you're getting milk from these sick sad cows, that pasteurization process is a process of heating that milk and then cooling it down really quickly. And what that does is it kills pathogens and baddy bacteria that you don't want because we don't want that to make us sick. But also in that process destroys good bacteria or probiotics that are inherently in that milk. And it ruins the integrity of the fats, the proteins and the enzymes. So we were talking a little bit ago about the lactase that is needed to break down lactose. Right? So if you're someone who has lactose intolerance and you're drinking this conventional milk and feel terrible, that's another reason why it's it's the nutrient content and the structure of the milk has been altered.
adina: 41:09
yes. I think it's also always important to think about why this came about like supermarkets are a business, and we need to understand that when companies are looking towards, how can I make this product very uniform, so it can be replicated over and over again. And it will be a very, you will have a certain expectation for that product. And that is how it will show up. So for example, homogenization people were creeped out on supermarket shelves when there was that cream on top of their milk. So they're like, let's make this product look more uniform. And they're, you know exactly what your expectations are for this product. When you pick it up off the shelf, same thing with pasteurization. When they were thinking about supermarkets, they're thinking, how can I keep this milk on the shelf for longer so that I can sell it to these consumers? When we were getting our milk from farmers and the milkman dropped it off at your door every morning, and you went through that glass jar in that day, and then put it back out. There was no need for pasteurization. You didn't. There was no mystery about how long it would be sitting on the shelf. There was no need for homogenization. You had this expectation of what the milk looked like from your farmer. Supermarkets have turned it into this big business where if you're a person who cares about this, when it comes to like fruit, say you buy your fruit from a farmer's market and you love the misshapen fruit and you love when they just look, they all have this unique personality, and then you go to a supermarket and they're stocked on the shelves and there's fluorescent lighting, shining down on them. And every Apple looks exactly the same and they're lined up perfectly like supermarkets are a business and consumers have come to expect a uniform product. So this is catering to that expectation.
Diane: 42:52
yes. And I love that there are now services. Like, is it ugly fruit, ugly produce or uncommon produce or something where they're like giving the I'm using air quotes, the ugly fruits and veggies their chance. And you mentioned that fluorescent lighting, like think of dressing rooms. Like no one loves that white or that blue light shining down on them. They need to get some, some warm light in there. But yeah. Also shake up that milk. What's the big deal there to shake it up and then it looks and tastes delicious.
adina: 43:24
Then another thing. That happens. Right. Once it's been pasteurized, once it's been homogenized, they realized, Oh, wait a minute, we just killed off all of the nutrient value in these foods. Oftentimes they were skimmed. So they took the fat out altogether. So many people are buying 0%, 1%. Like what about all the fat that is so important for our health and our hormone health, but they realized, okay, we just boiled this thing to oblivion and killed off all of the important nutrients in it. Let's just
Diane: 43:55
Let's fortify.
adina: 43:56
let's take a syringe, inject them all back in and no one will know the difference. So they inject synthetic vitamin D, which is actually a hormone. Let's not ignore that since that synthetic vitamin D they inject synthetic calcium. They fortify it with iron oftentimes, which is a whole other conversation. But. Some vitamins, like there is so much that they are doing to this poor milk to make it resemble what it was in nature before they destroyed it in the first place. Like, can we not talk about how backwards that is?
Diane: 44:31
and then they'll also, yeah, it's so backwards. And the quality of those vitamins that they're adding in are shit garbage. They also will add for, so for example,
adina: 44:41
is that your Oprah impression?
Diane: 44:44
Yeah, it was thank you for picking up on us. That's why we're friends. You get shitty milk and you get shitty milk and everyone gets shitty milk at the grocery store. So with skim milk, which I'm still surprised that this is so popular, I just call it sugar milk. Because of all the fat is removed. So they also need to add, in some times, powdered dry milkshake, enhanced the protein content. And where does that come from? Who knows? But basically they're destroying it and then trying to dress it back up. I'm thinking of like, this image comes to mind like knockoff, like person or something. And they're trying to say, yeah, this is, this is a healthy product with we ruined it. And here it
adina: 45:24
yeah. Look at that. It's got all the vitamins and
Diane: 45:26
it's the same. It's the same thing. It's not the same.
adina: 45:29
me of, you know, when Tom Haverford run, he like is on trial for texting while driving, and then they take away all his screens and he makes this big iPhone out of cardboard and he's like trying to swipe it. And he's like, it's not the same.
Diane: 45:47
It's not the same. No, not at all. So that, Oh man, we just dragged that conventional dairy, but that is just such an important conversation to have, because I think people think that dairy is inherently bad, but it has just devolved and just been so damaged in order to create one of a more shelf stable product. But two, it does make it safer. Right? When you are starting with a sick cow, that's producing poor quality milk. Of course you don't want unpasteurized milk from that cow. So that's important to know as well.
adina: 46:24
Yeah. Again, it's the same way we approach health. It's like, let's get at the root cause. Like, why is the cow sick in the first place? So. If you're a person who has never heard the concept of raw milk, I encourage you to reach out to a local farmer, go visit, like, take a look at what is going on, how they're raising the cows. It is not unsafe to drink unpasteurized milk from a cow that has not been sick. That has lived a happy life that has been in the sunshine where you trust the farmer. And you understand exactly where that milk is coming from. Exactly when that milk was bottled as well. And if you don't have access to quality milk, which we will talk about later on the best option here is like, you're listening to this and you're thinking, what do I do now? Like, how do I shop for milk? So. If you can't get access to raw milk, which is challenging in some States and the U S I, you know, I'm not familiar with the regulations in other countries, but if you don't have access, if you can get in your grocery store, like a grass fed pasture raised, or even just organic milk that is low temp pasteurized, and non-homogenized, that would still be a much better option. So like where we talked about that pasteurization, where they heat it up super quickly and then cool it down low temp, pasteurization, they are heating it at a much lower temperature over a longer period of time. So it still does preserve more of all that milk. Goodness. So I would, that would be my recommendation. If you can't get access to that super high quality milk.
Diane: 48:01
yes. I will add to that and say that things have changed. I've noticed a lot more brands or wider availability of better milk and something that we talked to with our clients is thinking about good, better, best. Okay. So you can't get raw milk or great milk straight from the farmer. That's what we do is we have a herd share. We can talk more about raw milk and what that's like later. Um, but there are still other options for those who can tolerate these and this. So we want you to come away from. The totally like all or nothing and the black and white and this. And so perhaps if you are able to in your budget, instead of going for the cheapest gallon of milk, or just your standard, like 2%, fortified vitamin D milk is to look for something that has those distinctions, that Adina just described. And that will be much better than a lot of those other options out
adina: 48:51
Yeah. And also, I think something I want to say too, is we just dragged conventional milk through the ground and. This is something I struggled with when I did start incorporating dairy back into my diet is some of that thinking around. Okay. So perfect. Dairy is good for me, but I would never eat a slice of pizza from the pizza store or something where you know,
Diane: 49:17
the pizza doyou
adina: 49:19
not call it the pizza store of stone.
Diane: 49:21
No. Is that like a Jersey thing? Well, don't just barked like apparently. Yeah.
adina: 49:28
at you mad at me, Doug, what do you call it?
Diane: 49:31
he just birthed at you. Um, I don't know, restaurant the pizza store. Well, I'm very mad that you also are new york and maybe there do they call them pizza stores
adina: 49:43
you don't have to put up a poll. Did I just make something up? Do peaceful and
Diane: 49:46
I think
adina: 49:47
okay. We're going to put this on our Instagram stories and you guys will let us know how you feel. What do you call the place where you purchase pizza?
Diane: 49:54
a restaurant I'll ask the people. Oh gosh. Anyway, you were
adina: 50:02
Oh, Oh, I can't get it together after that. Is that what I call it? I'm so unsure
Diane: 50:08
do you go to a burger store?
adina: 50:10
No, because the burger store has other things. It's a pizza store. Let me rein it in. I was saying that when I first, like, I wouldn't think to myself, like, Oh, conventional dairy is the devil. I can't eat that, but we always need to take these things in context. We always need to think about what is available at that time. Is this my favorite pizza store that I grew up going to, that has the best pizza in the world. And I feel in really good health right now. My eczema is under control. And I just want this slice of pizza from the pizza store. In that instance, like we need to talk about the emotional nourishment of food as well. And. Even though we know the processing of dairy, let that go. Like don't sit there eating that slice and thinking, Oh no, the hormones, the antibiotics, the inflammatory process, like enjoy, enjoy if that is something that you are in a place to do at that point, you know, it might not be the best choice if there will be a lot of consequences, but
Diane: 51:18
You gotta do that risk analysis, or I had clients who, when they're in the throws of their, their symptoms is, Oh, I get joint pain. And I do experience a lot of inflammation, whether it's in their skin and their gut, having bubble guts, all of that, perhaps at one time they might decide it is not worth it for me to have this pizza from the pizza store, I'm going to choose something else. And we also want to talk right now about, um, alternatives to dairy, because I mean, I, this was part of my routine for several years when I was going through a healing was choosing nut milks or milk alternatives. And we did get a lot of questions about how to navigate that. And is this better? Is this comparable? What if I don't like dairy? So we want to share that these can be an option, but we also want you to consider if you are pounding those nuts left and right. And the considerations that come with
adina: 52:20
yeah, my, in my perspective, and what I've seen with clients is like, That two cups of almond milk in your latte every single day is far more inflammatory than dairy. Oftentimes I don't really recommend it. My recommendation for dairy replacement is usually coconut milk, just like straight up coconuts and water. I love the boxed Thai kitchen brand from Amazon. I find that really easy to get my hands on and it makes a great like frothy cream for a latte. That's always been
Diane: 52:50
So nice and thick too, which I think is an issue I have, it's a bone I had to pick with a lot of nut milks is that they are so thin because nuts are expensive, right. Especially if you're trying to get, I'm trying to think of some brands that are like Malke there's Elmhurst, which I do like, because those are thicker and they are, they are more of an investment, but just that thin nut juice just, Oh my gosh, this sounds so gross.
adina: 53:17
don't sign me up for nut juice.
Diane: 53:19
But also they can, we also, with the, um, almonds, the way that some of them are produced environmentally, very costly and heavily sprayed. So in our opinion, these are not a. Apples to apples milk, to milkreplacement here for dairy. But if you're in a healing phase or you have an allergy or an intolerance to dairy right now, perhaps these are a good swap for you to consider in that healing phase. So we both liked coconut milk. I also like alternating things. So perhaps you're rotating between hazelnut milk Elmhurst brand. It's in a white carton. They have hazelnut milk, which I call pink milk. It's lightly, naturally sweetened and perhaps rotary, not in like a macadamia nut milk, just trying different things, cashew milk. I know as a favorite among some of my clients who can't do dairy right now, but we also like to look for options that don't have gums and fillers. Some people who have gut issues are especially sensitive to some of those things. And so you can also make these at home relatively easily
adina: 54:26
I, again, like Diane said, I would definitely rotate. I just don't think it's in anyone's best interest to drink two cups of nut juice every single day. And again, like we talked about in some of our food myths episodes, like also consider how many other nuts you are getting from other foods you're eating throughout the day. So like maybe the nut milk isn't necessarily the problem because it's mostly water and it's not that much, but you don't know how those nuts were processed and that can be irritating, but are you also having tons of almond flour? Yeah, so yeah, different things made out of nuts as well. So I would consider that. And like Diane said, comparing not comparing, I was going to say nuts to nuts. Um, comparing. Milk to milk or coming up with a good milk replacement. I would like to say loud and clear. There is no good replacement for dairy. Dairy is just so nutrient dense that you can swap it for something else, but it is in no way, a replacement, if you are coconut milk would be my preferred option. But even if you are having, I usually tell my clients to have coconut milk with butter as well, like blend in some butter in there too.
Diane: 55:39
for those fat-soluble vitamins.
adina: 55:41
oftentimes people can tolerate butter, even if they can't tolerate milk, because it's far less like lactose, for example. Uh, but even if you are using a high quality coconut milk and putting some butter in there, it is just not going to be the same as the amazing nutrient profile of a cup of milk. It's not, it's never going to be so milk is just such a perfect food that when you can tolerate it, that would be my. Preferred recommendation. Like I think it's always a goal. People should work towards
Diane: 56:12
yes, absolutely. I guess, um, high quality dairy is going to have fat soluble vitamins in there for you as well as minerals and things that just nuts cannot, cannot do it. Uh, we also talked about the importance of saturated fat, um, in past episodes for the healthy hormones and metabolism. So, so, so important. And so perhaps you're wondering, all right, so how can I work towards that? And. Get dairy to follow me back, let's dive in a little further about why we want to work towards being able to tolerate dairy. Again, more specifically, the highest quality that you can choose and your unique budget when it tastes good. You've heard us talk about butter, how butter is important to us. High quality saturated fats are delicious. Add flavor to food. And Adina had a note here. Look at kids. They love cheese and fruit.
adina: 57:05
I think this is so funny. Like, kids are intuitive, they know what their bodies need. They know what their metabolisms need and.
Diane: 57:12
They don't have those stories yet that we inherit through our culture and through diets, diet, culture, and magazines and
adina: 57:19
Yeah. So I always say like, if you want to understand how to move, look at kids, they have inherently beautiful movement patterns. They know how to move load. That's a whole nother conversation, but if you want to know how to eat, look at kids. When your kids will refuse every food you put in front of them, I guarantee you, if you offer them a piece of cheese, they will probably take it. If you've had that experience with your kids, where you try to get them to eat X, Y, Z, whatever you cooked for dinner, and all they want is cheese or a piece of pizza or some macaroni and cheese. Like there's a reason they want sugar and they want dairy. They want fruit and they want dairy. Cause this is what our metabolism, craves and dairy is such a perfect food in that way. It is. A perfect balance of protein, fat, and carbs. There is no other food on earth that is like that. Every other food kind of swings heavily towards one or maybe two macronutrients, but dairy is this it's complete dairy completes me. And it is complete
Diane: 58:20
I remember you sending me, Adina sends me funny videos of her kids and they're just the cutest. So I love it. And she sent me a video of Minnie going in to just snack on butter,
adina: 58:33
yeah, she like takes they, whenever I'm cooking breakfast, they just stand there, like with their hands out, like little puppies, just waiting for pads of butter to fall into their laps.
Diane: 58:44
into their flops.
adina: 58:46
It was, it was both of my kids. First word, I believe. Bubba.
Diane: 58:50
Oh, Bubba butter. Yeah. So dairy is a complete food, has protein, fat and carbs. So that's what we mean by that. And perhaps when you think about dairy, this certainly was my case growing up is that's where you get calcium. So yes, I've heard you can get, I hear people say, well, I can get calcium from leafy greens and there is some in. A small amount and leafy greens and things like sardines, one of my other favorite foods. But perhaps if you are experiencing gut issues, you're not digesting those well right now. And you're like, I'm trying to pound this kale salad, but it just doesn't feel good physically. And it's just not, not the move for me right now. But it's not sustainable for anyone I think to eat a ton, a bucket of kale. So that's why we also loved dairy cause it's more efficient if you can tolerate it
adina: 59:40
You're never going to get the same amount of calcium from leafy greens that you will from dairy. If you just eat some cheese, it will cover so many of your nutrient needs for the day that to have to, to remove that food and then have to piece together. Those nutrient needs from other foods, it's just going to be so much work. Like we talked about this when we debunked veganism, it's like, sure, you could do it, but do you know how much work that's going to be? Like the supplementation and actually growing up, I didn't like milk. And so my pediatrician made me eat these first of all, Tums which now we know what that did to my gut function. But then I had to eat these like chocolate Vita, something calcium, chews that like
Diane: 1:00:25
like chalky,
adina: 1:00:27
disc, like Lord knows what is in those. I just have a memory of having like a saliva mouth full of like chewy chocolate, synthetic, like who even knows who even knows.
Diane: 1:00:39
well, we looked up before this episode too. We were curious, and I think the ingredients have probably changed since we were kids, but corn syrup, solids calcium,
adina: 1:00:48
and not to mention like a super poorly digestible form of calcium, which is why I still probably had calcium issues, even though I was eating those damn things every day.
Diane: 1:00:57
right? Like your body's like, what, what do I do with this?
adina: 1:01:00
Yeah. Cause that's important too. We talk about this with supplementation a lot, but things in nature exist in a way that they are balanced perfectly with the other nutrients that they need to be balanced with. Right? Like calcium needs to be imbalanced with other minerals and in dairy, that is the case and it is also much more easily absorbed. Calcium in dairy is in a form that we absorb it super well. If you try to take calcium supplementation, you may not necessarily absorb that calcium at all. So you're just wasting your money and wasting your time. Really.
Diane: 1:01:32
well, well, we don't like that. So we are all about efficiency over here. So make it simple, make it tasty. We also touched on this earlier, but milk as a way to help you sleep better. I remember this was something that I definitely had my routine as a kid. Of course it was conventional dairy. And I was like, why do I have bubble guts? But I remember my mom, a cycle, get some more milk and I would drink that before bed. It helped me sleep, but then I'd wake up with a belly ache, but that's because, or the sleep promotive qualities that are in there are minerals like magnesium, magnesium helps. Relax you and can help ease you into sleep. So that's really helpful.
adina: 1:02:12
I love dairy in bedtime snacks for my clients. Those are my clients who are suffering with some sleep issues often related to blood sugar issues and some hormone imbalances. I always recommend some form of high quality dairy as part of that bedtime snack. I love ice cream as a bedtime snack. I love like these cookie dough bites. I'll recommend for my clients as a bedtime snack, which is basically just butter and sugar. And that recipe will be in our updated mini course when we rerelease that. So you can get your hands on that, but I just keep these little cookie dough balls in the freezer. And if I'm struggling to get to sleep, that is where I will turn it. Just soothes ya and gets you getting those deep Zs.
Diane: 1:02:54
As our clients that can tolerate dairy, that is an excellent part of their evening snack. We talked about fat-soluble vitamins as well. And what we mean by those are a D K and vitamin A specifically. We really don't get much of that in our diets. A lot of people are deficient in this one and a lot of people are not eating liver and organ meats out there. So if that's you and you're like, Oh no, I'm not going to go in and cook up some liver and onions, perhaps a way to get that in. It could be via dairy.
adina: 1:03:26
dairy. We love her. We love her. And hopefully in this episode, we were able to debunk for you some myths around dairy as being inflammatory or being something you shouldn't be eating. And we have explained to you very clearly, why dairy is such a nutrient dense food, why it is such an important thing to include in. Your diet. And we are going to have to do a part two because obviously we got into it and we could talk about dairy for quite a while. We've learned now, we've, we've been chatting about it for an hour and we still have a lot to say, so we are going to do a part two to this episode.
Diane: 1:04:13
And in part two, what you can expect is we'll talk about how to get dairy, to follow you back, how to get that milk. Remember those campaigns growing up so many milk mustaches would have not milk. Cheese, ice cream, all of that. So in that episode, we'll talk about timeline and expectations as well as do's and don'ts, uh, healing your one-sided relationship with dairy. We'll talk about how to support your gut and beyond so that hopefully you can bring that in with more success and we'll go through questions that you submitted. Thank you for sending those that we weren't able to get to today.
adina: 1:04:51
Yes, you guys sent so many good questions. So that's part of why we wanted to break this into two parts because we do want to do dedicated time answering those. So maybe we will even do another question box since we have some time. Now we can get to a few more of those, but I had so much fun chatting about this. I know Diane did as well. We both were people that were just. Pining to bring dairy back into our lives. And now that we have, we want to share that love with all of you. So we will be getting into that just as a reminder, strength training for happy hormones. My strength training program is going to be opening in a couple of weeks. I know a few of you were asking about that. So if you check the show notes, we'll have the details for how you can get on that wait list. And as soon as those doors open, you will be the first to know. And anything else, Diane, what do we leave them with today?
Diane: 1:05:42
Stay strong, stay hydrated and we'll see you next Tuesday.
adina: 1:05:46
We will see you next week. Bye.
