EP 8 - DAIRY DEBUNKED: PART 2
Food so nice, we’re talking about it twice! Don’t miss our last episode for part 1 in our chat about dairy. In this week’s episode we discuss what to do if dairy doesn’t like you back right now and dive into the questions you submitted!
In this episode of Get Your Shit Together we chat about:
🧡 Settle the great pizza store v. pizza shop debate
🧡 How long does it take to get dairy to follow you back?
🧡 Our do’s and don’ts for successfully reintroducing dairy
🧡 Listener questions about dairy!
Resources & Good Shit
Episodes
What We’re Consuming
Adrift (Netflix) starring Shailene Woodley. Apparently Diane is into sole survivor films lately? Not to be confused with Soul Survivor by Jeezy featuring Akon 😂. This was another based on a true story!
High quality dairy, of course! Ice cream used to make our stomachs churn, but now we churn up homemade ice cream. Recipe [including for mix-ins] available inside the GYST Mini Course [below].
More Shit We Like
Supporting local farms! Diane lives in West Michigan and gets her dairy / herd share from Whitney and Dan at Two Sparrows Farm. Follow them on Instagram for a glimpse at farm life!
Looking for a high quality dairy source near you? Check out Real Milk.
Diane’s “Influencer Shorts” that she found on Amazon by way of YouTube “Lululemon Dupes”. Most of the styles are only $18 and seamless…because WHO wants a camel seam?! They also have a small interior snack pocket. The 5” shorts are SO comfy.
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🦠💩 Root Cause Reset - enrollment opens soon!
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Transcript
Transcript was auto-generated! There may be some errors, but you get the…GYST 😜
Adina: 0:00
Hello. And welcome back to the gyst podcast. What's up Diane?
Diane: 0:12
oh, you know, it's hot, it's humid. It's sticky, but the sun is shining over here. I like it. I love
Adina: 0:18
for that sunshine. Um, well we definitely have to catch our listeners up on a couple of things. So our last episode was part one of dairy debunked, and you guys are really enjoying that episode. Now, if you listened, you know, that I made Diane lose, lose her mind when I called the place that you purchased pizza from a pizza store. And then we went ahead and did some polls on our Instagram. The results are in a lot of you think it is called a pizza place. Okay. And those are all people responding to Diane's story. Now, let me remind you, first of all, that Diane doesn't even get credit for pizza place because she called it a restaurant on our podcast episode
Diane: 1:14
I'm leaving the meeting. Diane has left the meeting. Yeah.
Adina: 1:17
and only a few people responded to Diane's poll saying that it was called a pizza store. However,
Diane: 1:25
They
Adina: 1:25
however, in my poll currently, all of the new Yorkers and all of the Jews are voting pizza store. So now I'm starting to think that this is a Jewish thing. I don't know why.
Diane: 1:43
I have, yeah, maybe it's a regional thing, a Jewish thing. I've never heard this. I didn't get any votes for another option. I added to my poll, which was pizza palace, which I would like to suggest that we, if we can agree on pizza store and pizza place, maybe we just say pizza
Adina: 1:59
I did get a couple of write-ins for pizza shop from other new Yorkers as well. So maybe pizza shop and pizza store are both like New York, New Jersey area things,
Diane: 2:13
yield
Adina: 2:14
the old pizza store.
Diane: 2:16
Very interesting. Maybe you should go next time you go to the pizza store, ask them. Hi.
Adina: 2:21
How do you refer to yourself?
Diane: 2:23
Yes. We want to make sure we get it straight. Well, that was a hot debate. I'm curious. I think I have actually seen some real or Tik Toks where people were like, what do you call this thing? Like a shopping cart. I mean, just saying that right there. Someone's probably, that's not what it's called. It's a
Adina: 2:38
call it a shopping cart.
Diane: 2:39
I don't know.
Adina: 2:40
I just couldn't get over this pizza store thing. And also I shared on my story is today. An extremely tragic incident that happened in New York where a brick was hurled through the window of a pizza place, a kosher pizza place. This was a hate crime against a Jewish establishment. And my heart was broken when I saw this news break and then I'm a terrible person. So I couldn't help, but laugh when all of the New York Jews were sharing the story and calling it a pizza store, like everyone sharing this story and saying that their favorite pizza store was attacked. So terrible things are happening.
Diane: 3:25
Yeah, that is awful. It's paused on that. That is awful. And I hope everyone is
Adina: 3:30
Terrible things happening. But also it seems that Jews call it a pizza store.
Diane: 3:35
And it seems like the 80 people in my poll say, it's a pizza place.
Adina: 3:40
All right.
Diane: 3:41
We'll leave that one pizza place store wherever you are on that one, we can all agree pizzas, hot, delicious. Um, and if you listened to our past episode perhaps? We're opening your eyes to some things that you haven't heard before. Uh, maybe challenging some old stories that you may have grown up with. I know many of them, those myths that we debunked in our last episode were things I held to be true until a couple of years ago, things like dairy is inflammatory. It's bad. So on. So if you miss that one, walk back to part one. In this episode, we're going to be digging into dairy, further talking about how to get dairy, to follow you back. If you have a one-sided relationship with it. And we'll also dig into listener questions. So some of you sent in questions after our last episode, many of them were answered through part one, so definitely check that out. But we also have some that we'll do a rapid fire here
Adina: 4:36
Yeah. And let us know if you like this, if you like more like listener question, rapid fire type stuff. Cause we are, again, we are a young podcast, a spry little podcast, and we are here to grow with you. We want to know what you want to hear, what you're enjoying most from us. So if you do enjoy these like listener Q and a type episodes, we are happy to do that. We're always happy to do like topic-based episodes, but we definitely love getting into these conversations with you. So let us know, reach out to us at our Instagram
Diane: 5:07
slide into our DMS.
Adina: 5:09
some cuties in the DMS. I am loving some of these relationships that are,
Diane: 5:13
yeah, it was. We appreciate
Adina: 5:15
oh, oh my gosh. Wait. I mean, we shared this on our Instagram, but we have hit over 2000 downloads on this cute little podcast. It's. my God. It's so exciting. I know a lot of you have been really enjoying it because we love hearing from you when you're listening. We love seeing you share it on your Instagram stories. We love when you tell us like what your favorite part of the episodes were and things like that. But to see that number, like we've been working so hard on this, and we were so intentional with our launch and our brand and the types of conversations that we're having. And it really feels like we're shifting some things in the health and nutrition space. So I'm really excited about that.
Diane: 5:56
Yes. Thank you for tuning in everyone. We appreciate you and we love wait. Whoa. We love
Adina: 6:01
love we
Diane: 6:02
we want. We love, we love you. And we like you. A Leslie Knope. Well lying there. And speaking of our friend, Leslie Knope, have you been watching anything fun over there? Anything new in the
Adina: 6:15
as you heard from me last week, it's been heavy around here. And so the decision fatigue has set in, in the evenings and we haven't really been watching anything new. We did, the New York Knicks are in the playoffs for the first time in like eight years. And so we did watch them tragically lose a very close game. Um, but
Diane: 6:37
remember how I thought that was baseball. I was like, oh, but the New York does have two baseball teams,
Adina: 6:43
and the Mets, but Diane is
Diane: 6:45
Okay,
Adina: 6:45
the ultimate go sports go. Um,
Diane: 6:50
I watch them. I would just want them all to have fun
Adina: 6:52
So when I told her that we were watching the knick game, she said, oh yeah, I know New York does have two baseball teams.
Diane: 7:00
I'm just watching the butts. Okay.
Adina: 7:02
cutie
Diane: 7:03
it. That's all.
Adina: 7:04
Um, so anyways,
Diane: 7:06
But baseball.
Adina: 7:07
oh yeah, the baseball booties, they must be swinging some kettlebells. So we did watch that and we've just been. Replaying some Brooklyn nine, nine, because like I said, that is our current decision fatigue show. And the other night we were watching this episode where, okay, so Boyle son, Nika lodge brings it in Christmas cookies, and he's going to share one with Jake Peralta. And Jake's about to take, take a cookie. And Boyle's wife is like, yeah, you know, the potato really brings out the vinegar and Jake puts it back and goes, none of those are cookie things. And it made me laugh really hard. And it reminded me of when Diane goes on her rants about black brain black bean brownies and how just enough with the black beans are never supposed to be brownies.
Diane: 7:58
not to yuck your yum, but, uh, it's not dessert.
Adina: 8:02
of those are cookie things. None of those are cookie things.
Diane: 8:07
Yeah, like avocado ice cream, someone once gave me and I was like, why do you hate me?
Adina: 8:13
Well, okay. Let me say this to those specific examples. I feel like are ones where people, those feel very diet culturey to me, like trying to avoid sugar chocolate and making something out of black beans and trying to pretend it's like quote, unquote healthy. And obviously the avocado ice cream example, we talked all about last episode, how nutrient dense ice cream is when you make it with quality dairy, when you can tolerate quality dairy. So that is problematic for me because I feel like a lot of those are, are a diet culturey like, this is quote unquote healthy thing. But I do think that there are some examples of like food replacements that we shit on sometimes, but. They are good options for when you need them. Like when you, you know, for example,
Diane: 9:06
yeah. Like cauliflower
Adina: 9:08
Like, like I think cauliflower rice is disgusting, but if somebody can't tolerate white rice and it, it like fills a need for them at a certain time when they're kind of working on that, then I'm in support of that. But if it's like a I'm eating cauliflower rice, because I think white rice is like too many carbs calories or something like that. Then for me, that's a hard, no,
Diane: 9:33
Yeah. What's the intention behind it. And why am I choosing this? Yeah. I'm glad that you brought that up because cauliflower, I have definitely had clients who have had to choose some of that in the past because they don't do well with gluten-free grains. So that's a stand in for some time and week. Focus on other things for their complex carbs and other carbs sources. So love that. As far as what we're watching over here, I have a couple of fun things to share. One thing that we're watching, I guess it's not that fun, but it was really excellent, which was Adrift starring Shailene Woodley. And I think his name is Sam Claflin. He was in hunger games. That's how I remember him, but it was based on a true story and I won't give it away. Um, but it was such a great story. She didn't. Amazing job. I've I haven't really seen much of Shailene Woodley. I know that people love her in what's that show with Nicole Kidman.
Adina: 10:21
um, uh, big little lies. Yeah.
Diane: 10:24
Yeah. So I saw a little bit of that, but in this one, she and her boo are going to they're setting sail from Tahiti to San Diego and a storm hits and they have to survive adrift as the name suggests. And I guess between this and that jungle movie, I mentioned in a few episodes ago. I'm into soul survivor, survivor shows or movies. Okay. And now I don't know if I'm going to pick up my hip hop reference here. When I say soul survivor, I can't help, but think of a Jeezy and Akon. Um, so it's,
Adina: 10:58
You know, okay. The extent of my hip hop knowledge, I do have some hip hop knowledge, but I wasn't like deep into hip hop when I was younger because my older brother was like super into classic rock. So I did spend a lot of time there when I was like the hip hop age, but one of my good friends got us the book from a B to J Z. Wow. That was a tongue twister. Um, when Minnie was first born and so many got like really into hip hop as she does, you guys see she's like latches onto the music stuff and goes deep. So we used to listen to a lot of early hip hop, when Minnie was little.
Diane: 11:36
She loves biggie, right?
Adina: 11:37
biggie.
Diane: 11:39
Yes. Well, that song is now stuck in my head and well, no longer young Jesus Jeezy, Jay Z and AECOM, and then was long together. But the movie was fantastic. It's on Netflix, highly recommend. And it was just, wow, I'm just in awe of this woman. And of course afterwards, I had to look up her the real story, which there were a lot more intense things that were left out. It was just so good and a wearable fun thing. I like, I found some shorts. That I really love there's even a snack pocket in the front. I was influenced, I was am I an influencer now. I was influenced by the YouTube video and found these dupes. They're supposed to be a dupe for like Lulu lemon shorts or maybe alo yoga shirt shorts, but the five inch short and they're seamless in the front. I don't understand why anyone makes a short with a seam that goes right down your kitty. It's like, who wants that there? And there's squat proof. They're sweat proof. And they were like 20 bucks.
Adina: 12:40
that is great. That is great. I'm gonna look into it, but these powerlifting thighs are pretty picky with our shorts. So we'll have to see
Diane: 12:51
Yeah. I ordered a size up for sure, because of that. I'm trying to get some, some juicy chicken thighs here.
Adina: 12:57
we're out here. We're out here trying to grow these thighs all right. So let's get into the meat or the dairy of this episode,
Diane: 13:07
the cheese, if you will. Okay. Okay. Okay. Let's start with how to get dairy to follow you back. So what we mean by that is, let's say you like dairy, but there are some consequences or some events that happen after you indulge in dairy, blowouts gas, bloating, cramping, all of that nausea. Ooh. I knew that very well. So we hear this a lot from our new and prospective clients that they just don't tolerate it, or perhaps they just avoided it for extended periods because they think, all right, maybe it's not healthy. We tackled that last episode. Um, but let's say you want to eventually bring back. Dairy. So what does that look like? And we want to talk about this a little bit from the, the don'ts here's some things that we don't recommend. So one of the biggest things that I see often when I start with new clients is that perhaps they've tried some elimination, diets, some symptoms, suppressive, diets, we like to call them, and those can definitely have their place, but it's only one piece of healing. So what we mean by symptoms, suppressive is all right, you know, that conventional dairy, um, or even perhaps for some high quality dairy leads to some symptoms and discomfort, right? So you take that out for a time 21 days, 30 days, however long that program may be. But then when you bring it back, maybe you start your intros. You're like, I missed going to the pizza. It's not going to kill me up pizza pie at the pizza store and those bubble guts come back. You don't feel well. And so perhaps you find yourself in a revolving door cleanse. Whole 30, mostly 30, whatever other diet
Adina: 14:52
whatever other thirties there are.
Diane: 14:54
Yeah. Whatever else those might be. So you might've experienced relief while you were doing that program, but then feel frustrated after you try to bring these things back. Right? So you've suppressed symptoms during that time took out that stressor, but what may have been missing there, and many programs is supporting function and supporting healing and rebalancing of the gut.
Adina: 15:17
and I would say to a phased reintroduction, like I think what I see a lot with my clients who have historically been revolving door whole 30 ers is they do the whole 30. They feel great. Then they just kind of like wait for a little bit and then are like, oh, I want all the dairy sugar insert thing. They skipped here. They'll bring back in all that dairy and then feel like trash and then think, oh, I need another whole 30. So being mindful of doing the healing stuff and then being really mindful of phasing that re-introduction first of all, so that you can actually pinpoint what is. The trigger food. If there still is a food triggering a reaction in that way. But also, so you can actually help your body to rebuild that tolerance. Because as we've said, you don't use it, you lose it. If you cut out dairy for a while and then just try to rapidly reintroduce it, your body will not be primed to digest that food.
Diane: 16:21
Yes. And I like in those two. Okay. If your car has an issue, there's some damage. the answer, isn't it just not,
Adina: 16:28
for someone who said they know nothing about cars, this is
Diane: 16:31
I've had several between the Lamborghini things the other day and this, oh, I love it. Cars, cars, and muscles.
Adina: 16:46
your future. You have a future at the auto shop.
Diane: 16:49
Yeah, he I'm rolling up my sleeves. I'm wearing a tank top. Um, but yeah, the answer, if you have an issue with your car, right. Is not to just stop driving it for a month and then pick things back up and get in your car and hope for the best you go and get that repaired. Right. And ah, that's
Adina: 17:08
I have done stuff like that in the past. Like we, we had a situation in our bathtub where it wasn't draining and instead of calling, no, it actually, this is so Jewish. I was cleaning for Passover last year and the only place big enough to clean my oven grates was my bathtub.
Diane: 17:31
Oh, we do that
Adina: 17:32
Oh, you do? Okay, cool.
Diane: 17:33
the car cleaning video. I watched, because I like to watch those.
Adina: 17:37
Okay. Yeah. So I put my oven grades in my bathtub with a ton of baking soda and vinegar. And I guess it was too much baking soda and it totally clogged my bathtub and. So slowly, slowly that dirty oven water drained, but then I just didn't use my bathtub for like a couple of months. And I was like, I wonder if it'll work now, spoiler alert it. Didn't cause I do need to call a plumber
Diane: 18:04
a professional. That's my, my Lola's accent there. You need to call a professional. Yeah. So the answer isn't to just stay off of it and hope for the best. I mean, I know that unplugging and replugging things works a lot with tech and when we need to rest and restore. Yeah. Yes. Um, where you'd like blow on the cartridge and then like plug it back in N 64
Adina: 18:27
those of us, that grew up with a Nintendo. It doesn't work for your digestive system.
Diane: 18:32
Yes. Yeah. We need some to replenish those resources or to love on that gut that has perhaps been through it that we know has been through it. If you cannot tolerate dairy anymore, or if you've had, a lot of these gut symptoms, that's your body whispering, perhaps screaming for some of you, Hey, I need some help. So, let's tell them a little bit what we mean about functional support
Adina: 18:54
Diane, do you perhaps have a program that walks people step-by-step through this process?
Diane: 19:02
I do. So for those of you who aren't familiar, we both are a nutritional therapist. I focus a lot on gut healing with my clients, and I do that through one-on-one, uh, take a select client amount of clients there, but my main thing, my main bread and butter is root cause reset, which is my signature nutritional therapy program. It's 10 weeks long. Right now. And it walks you through understanding the why behind nutritional therapy, the why behind the foods, the nourishing foods that we bring in your S the why behind your symptoms and how to support them. So what the, what are those symptoms saying and how to support it? The nutritional therapy way? So what that doesn't look like is just throwin Tums and the lactaid at the issue, but getting after the root
Adina: 19:49
Hmm. How aptly named
Diane: 19:51
Yes. And we also customize the protocol too. So we start with a very comprehensive intake and that's what everyone starts with before their program. You may have seen me share a NAQ graphs, which is a nutritional assessment questionnaire. And that assessment shows us your body's top healing opportunities right now. And I mean, if you have, if you know, you have gut issues, that section might be lit up, but there might be also some other sections that surprise you. And what I want for you to walk away with this program with is the tools and strategies so that you can, you know, what your body is asking for and you know what to do to support it. So we do focus on food changes. Some things might feel familiar to you if you have done. Some elimination diets in the past, but we really kicked that up a notch with professional provider grade, uh, supplements as well. What we don't do is like MLM shakes or a nonsense. We bring these in, in a really intentional way and I teach you the why behind each of them, but for the purpose of this
Adina: 20:55
wait, slow down on that, because I think that's really important for people to hear. I think so, first of all, if you're a person who enjoys this podcast and you've been listening to us, talk about gut function and dairy and thinking like, Ooh, maybe that's the thing that's been missing. And that's why I'm still here. That's why I'm struggling with these things. Diane's programs are really great place to start, but specifically what she said about supplementation. If you've had the experience where you've worked with, maybe say like a natural path before, or you've worked with a different provider that just threw a bunch of supplements at you, and didn't explain to you. What you were taking, why you were taking them and really explain to you this is not, these supplements will solve your problems. This is, we are utilizing this targeted functional support during this healing phase to again, like we said, call the plumber to call the car thing that Diane said,
Diane: 21:48
the car thing.
Adina: 21:49
um, you know, this is, this is part of the process. And we want you to understand why this is helping us get to a place where dairy will follow you back, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Diane: 22:02
Yes. Thank you for helping me slow my roll there. Cause I was just going, so again on supplements and how we'll use them in root cause. Reset is. Everyone starts with their intake and you learn what that means and what your body's asking for. And I could just give you the, how, like do this, follow this good luck and goodbye, but I want you to feel empowered. I want you to feel confident and clear on what your body's asking for and how to support it well after the program. And so everyone gets lifetime access to the course material, the curriculum it's very digestible.
Adina: 22:36
a
Diane: 22:37
so there are 10 weeks of that. And beyond that, you're also supported for six months through coaching calls with me and other students. And we have a private student community. So you can drop in there, share resources. Women in there are often sharing recipes that are new to me, that where I find things I love or ask them questions about their program and on our calls, we have hands-on things where we're either cooking together
Adina: 23:02
oh, wait. Okay. Let me jump in on that for a second. Cause I saw you were doing that cooking with Diane thing. And I wanted to tell our podcast listeners that we threw around this idea. And I want to hear if they are interested in this, would you guys want like a live situation in which I teach Diane to cook like a super Jewish food and she teaches me to cook a super like Filipino recipe. Um, and you guys could kind of hang out, live and cook along with us if you want. So let us know, slide into the DMS and let us know if that's something you're interested in because
Diane: 23:36
yes, that's right. We did talk about that. I would, let's throw around some recipe ideas too, and see what they'd love to see us make. It could be like a little food network, kitchen, like showdown thing. I love it. So yeah. So root cause reset. I will, um, put some information in the show notes for you. If that's something that you want to explore, you can hop on the wait list and I send you my gut healing guide. So you can get an idea of the framework and the structure of the program, before we dive in. So if that's of interest, you can always slide in my DMS as well. But as far as what we want to talk about, for the scope of this episode about supplements, the way that we use supplements with our clients is to think about functional support. Healing support and rebalancing formula. So those are kind of the buckets we want for you to think about instead of chasing down multivitamins or adaptogens or these things that are supposed to help your period. And like, there are so many things in some of those are valid and really helpful, but we always start with gut healing first. And I know that the supplement aisle can be very overwhelming. There's there's a lot of junk out there. And so it's hard to parse through it. You understand? So functional support are things that help improve the function of your gut. That one's pretty self-explanatory, but it, during the healing phase is really helpful when perhaps things have been low for awhile and that can make such a difference for clients. Do you have anything you wanna add
Adina: 25:10
Yeah. I just want to say that, like Diane said, the supplement aisle can be super overwhelming and again, the same way we talk about supermarkets, like you have to remember that supplements are a big business. And so a lot of the stuff that you are seeing maybe info or influencers promote, yes, you are seeing the influencers. They are talking about certain supplements. They are getting paid to talk about those and. Also you have to ask, like, does this person have a nutritional therapy or dietetics background? Do they really understand how these supplements work? Do they understand the forms in which the say nutrients that are in there are, you know, it's certain things are digestible. Certain things are not digestible. Certain things can be toxic in certain levels when they are not an a digestible form. So you really need to understand if you are just swiping up and buying a supplement from someone that they are telling you will solve all your problems, you need to understand. Do they even know what is in that? Do they even understand what forms those nutrients are being presented in? Do they even know what is wrong with me? Because say somebody who struggles with acid reflux might need different digestive support than someone who doesn't have a gallbladder. And so really working with a practitioner. Going through a program, you know, like Diane's program, anything like that, where there's really an education and understanding of what your specific needs are and an education around why we are utilizing certain supports. And again, outside of that, there are so many other things that I would want to see in place before I even mentioned supplements to you. So
Diane: 26:55
Love that distinction. Absolutely. Because what we're not going to do is just throw even high quality supplements that I use at anyone. If there aren't other important foundations in place and. We don't want you to think, like you have to use supplements to be well necessarily. Um, we're going to go into this for, I think some of the listener questions in a bit, but they can be really helpful. we want to have certain things in place, like high quality food. And if you are someone who cannot add in supplements right now, there's plenty we can do with food. We'd rather you maximize your budget there and choose the best quality food you can. And your unique budget, focusing on some secondary support, some things that are really nourishing might take some more time. But if that's all that you can do right now, we have lots of things available that we can lean in to there. But Adina is also talking about. quality and is this appropriate? Those are some things that we think about when we go down the supplement aisle, there are some things that are good there, but is it appropriate for you? Where is it sourced from what other things are in there? Like it might say something on the front of that bottle, but like, well, this is digestive support, but I've seen things that are way too strong are inappropriate. Like Adina was saying for someone who has acid reflux versus someone who might not have a gallbladder, like there's just a lot of nuance here and that can be overwhelming to navigate on your own.
Adina: 28:15
yes. And so, like we said, outside of supplementation, there are a lot of things that we're going to want to see in place. And this is where a lot of those, like elimination diets might fall short because there is such a heavy focus on elimination and not necessarily on what are you replacing those foods with. So, okay. You took out dairy. Great, good job. Congratulations. So proud of you, but what did you replace that food with? Was it just now? I just ate sweet potatoes and chicken breasts for 30 days and didn't actually accomplish anything as far as my metabolic function, which is so important for. Digestion and being able to reintroduce a food like dairy. I didn't put any emphasis on my thyroid function and being able to optimize that for digestive function and re-introducing something like dairy. Um, so we really want to shift your perspective away from elimination and onto how am I building a nutrient dense foundation that is going to better support digestion, better support metabolism, and really set the stage for bringing a food like dairy back in.
Diane: 29:30
Yes. Great point. And for the purpose of this episode, what we want you to walk away from thinking about in how we use supplements and nutritional therapy is we think of functional support. So we touch on that a bit as well as. Healing formulas and rebalancing. So I go more into this and in my gut health guide that you can get when you get on the root cause, reset, waiting list, and, uh, the masterclass attached to it. So we dive in a little bit there, but if you're feeling really overwhelmed at, do I need supplements or what do I add in, how should I even navigate this? No, what is quality? And what's not, then those are some things to think about instead of just gummy vitamins, multivitamins.
Adina: 30:14
Yeah. So again, then that is going to look completely different based on what's going on with you. And we do really highly recommend seeking the support of a practitioner. Um, you know, going through a course, if this is something you have never worked on, because there is so much nuance and there is an order of operations. And so for us to just sit here and list off like three supplements that we recommend, like that would be dishonest. It wouldn't be fair to you. It'd be a waste of your money and your time. And. Again, some people are going to have different reactions to different supplementation. And I really do think you need to support, you need to work on the foundations. You need to follow an order of operations and you need to have someone there to answer your questions so that you can troubleshoot when you are introducing a supplement. If you have X reaction, or if you feel a certain way or this, that there's so much that can go on. And some of it can be part of the healing process, you know, rebalancing the gut. If you introduce new gut bugs, there's going to be a shifting around in there. And digestive function will shift versus maybe you have an extreme reaction to a supplement and it is not a good option for you. So there's a lot to navigate and we do a lot of hand holding with our clients in this process. And so I certainly recommend seeking that support.
Diane: 31:37
I love that you said that because what we're not going to do is share, like, take this supplement, not knowing anything about you would be irresponsible and we're not about to have anyone blaming their diarrhea. on us in the DMS. No, thank you. Uh, yeah, there are different ways that you can react to supplements. And sometimes we're just introducing too many, the bugs to the part, it good bugs the party, or perhaps it's just too much too fast. So there's nuance, especially with some of that functional support and rebalancing formulas that we use. We audit a lot of supplements with our clients, maybe what they're already taking, and we want to make sure that there aren't any contra-indications for their situation or their routine. So that's important to note on supplements.
Adina: 32:17
And, and you just said too much, too fast, and that reminded me of the approach to re-introducing dairy. So like we said, if you're a person who does whole 30 and then you feel great, and then you just bring in all this dairy and you don't feel so great and you try to like troubleshoot why. If you are a person who has actually done some gut healing work and you still can't tolerate dairy and you are trying to figure out what is going on and how to tolerate dairy an approach that I really like to recommend is start with one singular dairy food. Okay. This is how to get dairy to follow you back, start with one dairy food. So don't rotate milk, cheese, yogurt, butter. If you aren't tolerating it don't yeah,
Diane: 33:05
shot, coochie board.
Adina: 33:06
don't rotate a million different types of dairy select one. Cheeses are usually easier for people to tolerate than milk or cream is way easier for people to tolerate than milk again, different protein structures. But if you are trying to bring dairy back in, I would recommend taking one of those foods and having a teaspoon every day for a
Diane: 33:33
Not a lot, baby girl. Just a little bit like 50
Adina: 33:35
Yes. Not a lot, baby girl, just a little bit, have a teaspoon then, then, then up into two teas. Sorry. We need to collect ourselves.
Diane: 33:47
Okay. Well, my hip hop where I had to sneak in some, my hip hop though. Okay. You were
Adina: 33:52
Where else? Okay. So yes, not a lot, baby girl. Just a little bit.
Diane: 33:59
and see how you do with
Adina: 34:00
Yeah. And then the next week up to two teaspoons and so on and so forth. And what's going on here is we are priming that digestive system. We are telling your body, I need you to start making the enzymes necessary to break this food down again, because I'm about to be eaten a lot of it. Right.
Diane: 34:18
Wait is this progressive overload? Like what you talk about with lifting, but with
Adina: 34:22
why? Yes, yes it is. I'm imagining a really cute cartoon right now. You're going to have to sketch it up for me. Um, okay. So. Do that, try that. And if you don't have like an extreme reaction, obviously if you take that first bite of dairy and like you immediately have an insane blowout and just like, does not feel good, then slow it down even more. But if it's kind of okay, then keep going like that and see, and again, sticking with one food. And then when that starts to work, expand it to another food. Try it with milk next time. Try it with yogurt. Just go slow.
Diane: 34:59
yes, things like ice cream and straight up milk. That's like graduate level. Re-introduction like, we want to start with the cheeses and slowly move in and the highest quality that you can, like we talked about in our last episode, that's great because then you don't have those other, the other yuck to think about that we see in conventional dairy, so hormones, um, and highly processed. Other ingredients. Right? So some things to think about go low and slow with the reintroductions. And there was actually a question it's a nice lead into our listener questions. Someone asked what dairy products are best or allowed during healing phase for reflux acid reflux. Okay. So like a Adina was just saying, going low and slow. Now, something we want to share too, is a butter might be appropriate for some people, if they are lactose and lactose sensitive lactose intolerant, because it's mostly fat. We don't don't have as much of that lactose that sugar there, others might find success with goat or sheep, milk dairy. Now spoiler goat cheeses, dairy. I saw recently a couple of, of I'm using air quotes, gut health coaches, not to, I'm not trying to shit on other coaches, but I really hate this misinformation or saying, well, goat cheese is not dairy. And I think what they were getting at is okay, it's lower in lactose, but. To say, it's not dairy. You just, I don't understand. Um, also eggs are not dairy. I don't know if you do hear those too. I have, I hear this periodic, like when I've been in restaurants, people are like, oh, the, well, the, this has eggs in it. So that's dairy eggs are not dairy. They're close together in the grocery store. Uh, but yeah, let's just get that out there.
Adina: 36:44
Yes. So, okay. a note on butter. First of all, I have had clients who think they don't tolerate butter, but my guess is that it's because they are always eating butter with other things that they don't tolerate well. So they never really isolated that food. I have found, I correct me if you have had a different experience, but I have barely ever had a client that doesn't tolerate butter, even if they're super sensitive to cow's milk.
Diane: 37:13
Yes. Yeah. Oftentimes that butter is perhaps with processed refined flour, so maybe white bread and they might experience bloat with that, or it's with pasta and like other things like cheese and cream. So other forms of dairy that they aren't doing well with. So yeah, when Adina was talking about maybe modifying just that one variable and just, they're going to take a spoonful of that or unless you're one of Adina's kiddos,
Adina: 37:38
Yeah. So try that, just cook with butter, cook your fish and butter cook things that are generally not problematic foods for most people. And see if, when you isolate that one variable, if you do do, do, do much better with dairy. Um, and like you said about goat and sheep dairy, if you have not tried that, if you have not shifted over to. Eliminated the cow dairy for a little bit and just tried goat or sheep again, A1 versus A2 dairy. That's kind of what's going on here that oftentimes in the supermarket, we are presented with one thing, but different strains of cows might be easier to tolerate. And those different strains of cow are also much more similar to say goat, dairy and sheep dairy. So strains, is that a weird way to talk about cows?
Diane: 38:31
was just letting you go there. Different types of
Adina: 38:35
Yeah. different
Diane: 38:36
produce different milks.
Adina: 38:38
strains. Oh no. So, um, yeah, so try that, try shifting to goat or sheep, try isolating butter and see how you do it. Those, because again, like we said, dairy is so nutrient dense and can assist with the healing protocol. If you tolerate it well,
Diane: 39:00
Yeah. And reflux has different triggers. And if you have reflux or heartburn or GERD, that's a sign that, that upper GI that stomach needs some love. So everyone has different triggers. You might know them as like spicy food. Perhaps this person is like, our dairy is not working well for me, but. We want to give that, tummy some functional support, some TLC, some healing and soothing for other people who might not have issues with dairy. They might find that, uh, dairy calms their stomach. I remember growing up as a kid, my mom would be like, go have some milk. Of course I was drinking like skim milk at the time. And yeah, that didn't work
Adina: 39:38
four
Diane: 39:39
be
Adina: 39:39
fortified milk. sooth that right up.
Diane: 39:43
That sugar milk. Next question. Most speaking of upper GI and bloating, I was taught that dairy is the devil, but I feel less bloated after drinking milk. Why.
Adina: 39:54
yeah. So we kind of talked about this a little bit, where. Maybe there are vitamins and minerals in that milk that your digestive function is craving. Maybe your metabolism is craving those foods. And they actually will aid in that digestive process. And like Diane said, some people historically have looked to milk to soothe the Tumtum. So that could be playing a role. Again, I don't know the quality of dairy. I don't know what triggers your bloat in the first place. I don't know much about your digestive function, which is always a challenge when we get these types of questions, but dairy can be quite soothing if you tolerate it well. And again, such important nutrients in there that really can help to support digestive function that can help your body to start making some more of that stomach acid. Again, if it is a raw or high quality dairy that actually does have a probiotic nature to it that could be helping as well.
Diane: 40:58
yeah, it's a live food that raw milk is live and has that good bacteria, those probiotics, but high quality dairy will also have zinc, which is a co-factor needed for those gastric juices to be flowing as well. So like Adina said, we also don't know what this person was eating and you can Mount a reaction to a food you're sensitive to within in 72 hours. So we want to look back at things earlier in that day. If you feel open to logging some things and noting when you have these symptoms occur, that could be really helpful for you.
Adina: 41:33
and then we got a bunch of questions around macro splits, how to know if you're eating too much, um, you know, is dairy quote unquote fattening. And so I do, I do want to dig into some of those. First of all, again, Diane and I talk about this sometimes where we kind of live in this. Nutritional therapy bubble away from diet culture. And we kind of like, I didn't know, people were still using the word fattening. I dunno if that's, that was definitely, um, took me by surprise when I saw that written out. And so a couple of things to note here too, is dairy a high calorie food. Yes, it is. Does that mean it is going to make you fat? No, it doesn't. Whether or not you gain fat is determined by your metabolic rate, your digestive function. Are you strength training? What are you doing for your fitness? How much are you eating? What other nutrient breakdown are you eating there? So,
Diane: 42:38
you sleeping? are you stressed? All of those play into weight.
Adina: 42:43
Yeah. So calories in versus calories out. People say that forever people will continue to say that, but. That needs so much context. I did a post a while ago, my Instagram saying calories matter, but cortisol matters more. And there's so much that determines how your body utilizes the calories that you provide it. And so to pin point a food and say, this food is fattening, this food will make me fat. Like it is it's really backwards and we're missing a lot of pieces of the puzzle.
Diane: 43:23
yes. And I wondering where this is coming from, and if you submitted this, there's no shame on you in any way. We really want to make that clear, but we just encourage you to come away from that fear of food. And I know that dairy is calorically dense relative to, to maybe like, I don't know, a car carbohydrate source. Right. But. We want you to think about the other benefits of it and consider the rest of the context, how you're moving, how else are you feeling? How are you sleeping? What's your stress? Like? Because it isn't just as cut and dry as we think. And unfortunately, like you said, Adina I've, I think we are in a bubble. Cause I remember I had this amazing custard, like locally made ice cream only like four or five ingredients. And I was checking out at my local store and I said, have you tried this it's so good and the woman said, oh no, I'm trying to stay away from that. Cause that's so fattening and it just breaks my heart when people have this fear of food or, or fear of enjoying something and enjoying things that could be really nourishing for them because they're worried that they're going to get fat and you're not fat. Fat is not like a state of being like, we all have fat cells on our body and
Adina: 44:40
Yeah. We talked that. Marketing is like so wild, you know, like I wonder I have so many thoughts and feelings. I don't even know where to begin. I was thinking about a lot of things while you were talking. But number one, something I talk a lot about with my clients, and I know you speak to your clients about this is we have been told our entire lives to measure our health based on how skinny or fat we are based on a number on a scale based on a dress size, a pant size. And like you said, we all have fat cells. We all have adipose tissue. This is important. And we are denying how important this is for hormone and metabolic function. So many of us who are so scared to gain fat. But are also, we talked about this with our marathon episode, with our running episode, we're scared to gain fat, but say we're really struggling with our fertility or our cycles are terrible. And we need to ask the question, which one of those is the priority. Do I spend my whole life focusing on trying to be a certain body fat percentage, a certain weight, a certain dress size. And my sleep is shit. My hormones are shit. I can't get pregnant. And those things should be at the forefront, but society has told us to measure our health by this other marker. That's so irrelevant.
Diane: 46:06
yes. Yeah. It drives us bonkers. And so that's one of the many reasons that we don't focus on fat loss with our clients. We want for you to feel good and give the body what it needs. And it will find its set point. Now that said it is okay to have physique goals. Again, we want those foundations addressed first, but in terms of identifying what might be the right amount of. Dairy or cheese or any food for you? We both, I thinkAdina will agree. We both walk our clients through how to build a nourishing plate using templates that are not involved with tracking or with weighing food. We want you to see and to feel, to taste what a nourishing for you plate feels like. And we have some questions that we'll often encourage our clients to consider like, okay, how did I feel this long after my meal? How was my sleep? How was my mood? Things like that. And we walk them through how to adjust those ratios based on their unique situation, their activity levels, stress goals, all of that.
Adina: 47:12
Yeah, and I will say, so the question that was dairy throws off my macros, how do I hit that? Perfect split. So if you are a person where, again, like we said, all those other health markers are in place and you do track macros for performance goals, or a specific physique that you are now trying to achieve, because those other things are in place. I would say that it is totally worth adjusting those macros to include dairy because of its nutrient density. Like it will really support those goals. If you adjust the other foods around it and not just try to fit dairy in at the end of already calculating your macros. And again, If this conversation is triggering for you just skip on by this part. Like not everyone needs to or should be tracking macros, but it can be a tool for someone who has very specific physique or performance goals. Uh, so yeah, that's kinda my feeling on that. Like, I don't think dairy should be the afterthought. I think it shouldn't be part of the foundation to actually build out those nutrient dense macros.
Diane: 48:18
Yeah, it's a love that someone else asked, uh, does estrogen and dairy affect human estrogen levels and therefore acne.
Adina: 48:28
Hmm. Love this question. And first I want to know, are we talking about conventional dairy or high quality dairy? Because even high quality dairy that is not injected with hormones, there will be some hormones present in the milk, but it's really negligible amounts. Like it is not going to shift your hormone profile. Um, yeah, so it's not that the. High quality dairy. The estrogen in that milk is not going to impact your estrogen levels. If it is conventional dairy and it's injected
Diane: 49:00
growth, hormone, antibiotics. Yeah.
Adina: 49:05
That can, that can have an impact.
Diane: 49:08
yeah. And just speaking from expertise with clients and my, and my personal experience, I've noticed a lot of them do not do well with that conventional dairy. For many reasons, we talked about in our last episode too, but. That quality is just, it's just not the same as a live high quality food, like grass fed, organic milk or raw milk, if that is something you're open to or that you have access to. So they're very, very different. Um, even the milk that starts from if it were, if you were to have raw milk from a conventional cow, that is just a no, no. So what we think of is the cost benefit analysis here. There are just so many other benefits to high quality dairy that we are not worried about. The hormone levels of high quality dairy. So quality is key.
Adina: 49:59
how it impacts. Yeah. Quality is key, but then how it impacts your hormone levels. This has way more to do with metabolism than what is actually that negligible amount in the dairy. So it is possible that if your metabolism is super suppressed and if you are metabolizing in a certain way, we can convert a lot of estrogen in fat tissue. So if, if your metabolism is super suppressed and you are consuming a ton of dairy, like we set it as a calorie dense food. And if your metabolism is suppressed and you are not utilizing those nutrients, you might be storing a lot of fat. And if you are having an issue. With excess estrogen, that can be a contributing factor. So it is really important to figure out how you are metabolizing estrogen. What is going on in your fat tissue? Are you aromatase causing a lot of that estrogen? And so there is, there can be an issue with over-consuming calories or certain macronutrients when your metabolism is suppressed, as far as kind of feeding that estrogen monster.
Diane: 51:15
that's estrogen and monster. I'm thinking of the hormone monster from big mouth Maya Rudolph's character is so good worth watching that one. I think first appears in episode two, uh, the first season, uh, the note I note on aromatase, I see this with the, some of the male clients under they do work with, with men. If they are consuming a lot of refined foods, a lot of, uh, high calorie foods that are highly processed what I see on their labs is that they are over converting testosterone, into estrogen. Perhaps noticing more of a belly, that they have Trouble reducing. So that's where that will show that's a sign that we noticed, or maybe they have gynecomastia, like they call them man boobs, but some of that breast tissue that's more significant. So that's what we mean by a robotizing that over conversion there with men. But, uh, it could also just be storing excess estrogen. Another thing we want to want you to think about is where else are exogenous hormones present in your environment. So take a look at your food storage, the containers that you use to store your food are using a lot of plastic. What about fragrances? And perhaps for a lot of you who are on hormonal birth control, that's another place there
Adina: 52:31
right. Like you might be blaming the dairy and thinking that all the estrogen is coming from there and really it's coming from all of the plastics that you use or the plastics that you heat up in a microwave and that type of thing, because certainly there is a hormone disruptive nature to a lot of the things in our environment. So let's not blame dairy
Diane: 52:50
Next step. Someone asked, is it bad to avoid dairy? I'm not sensitive. I put sensitive. I think that was my here. Not sensitive, but I just don't like the taste. Yeah.
Adina: 53:00
may have been their abreviation, because the question box is small. There are not enough characters,
Diane: 53:06
road,
Adina: 53:08
Okay, so you don't like the taste. So I actually struggled with this when I first tried to bring in dairy because I had grown up eating so low fat that butter tasted gross to me. When I first tried to introduce it, it was too rich and Diane's face right now. She's shocked and appalled.
Diane: 53:26
He didn't like Kerrygold,
Adina: 53:28
Well, I grew up eating such. A low fat diet that I really didn't have a taste for it. And we experienced this a lot with our clients who say like, I don't have a taste for animal products because they've been eating such a low protein. Yeah.
Diane: 53:41
Yeah. Red meat.
Adina: 53:42
Yeah. But I grew up with, with really not much of a taste for dairy. And like we said, with the tolerance thing, like I built up a taste for it slowly, just slowly introducing it. And then my body got used to that richer taste. And so I definitely would recommend that if it's something you're open to, if you like, are really interested in the nutrient benefits of it, then I would try to work up to that if you know, like, that's the thing. If you have spent the last five years eating halo top, then real ice cream is going to taste overly rich. And so it might, it might not taste good to you right now.
Diane: 54:24
I've also noticed some clients who, like you said, have followed a low-fat template for a long period of time. And so they might have, they have liver and gallbladder issues. So when they have things that are more rich, it might be certainly that lactose sensitivity or intolerance, but also not being able to digest that fat. So that's where that urgency might come from as well. And so your body's like, oh, this doesn't feel good. You might develop that aversion, but just something I wanted to note for those who've been following lower, lower fat or poor fat fat diets. They're not getting that good bile squeeze to help digest it.
Adina: 55:01
Yeah. So like you might not have a taste for it cause it kind of makes you nauseous because of that digestive function. So first and foremost, I would say support the function and. Bring it in slow and see if you like it. And again, if you really don't like some of us just don't like certain things, if you really don't like it, then I would say to try to make sure that you are getting all of those nutrients and other places. So focusing on calcium, focusing on vitamin a, something like grass fed liver. Cause it's really hard to get from other foods besides dairy and yeah, that's kind of where I would say
Diane: 55:36
Although, if you don't like, if you don't like dairy, I don't know how many people are going to be like, I'll get some liver and onion. So there's a good, would you rather question, uh, next step someone said, I can't find quality dairy or it's limited where I live. So I guess not really question, but perhaps they're looking for ways to find it to source it. So we talked a little bit about this. On our last episode, we encourage you to support a local wherever possible. Please, please, please. No farms, no food. So seek out a local farmer. Perhaps you have a farmer's market
Adina: 56:09
Mm. Yeah, we're getting into farmer's market season. So if you haven't had access all year round now might be a time where you actually do get that access because you'll like, I have clients who live in really remote places with, they have had a really hard time getting dairy, but are very excited for there's farmer's markets to come around now. Yeah, they're in full swing. Ours is at least a few days per week. We do have the beautiful market that has fallen winter hours, but they're much more limited. And a lot of cows are not producing the same amount like they are right Yeah. So farmer's markets can be a great option again, especially this time of year, but another thing dairy freezes really well. So it's not something that you have access to all of the time, if you can buy it in bulk and freeze, that's a good option. Uh, sometimes you can even find where you can order it frozen, solid. So. That can be a good option if there is not a lot quality dairy to regularly.
Diane: 57:14
So what you're saying is to make some milk popsicles, maybe some ice cubes. How do you freeze yours? Do you literally just put the carton in the fridge?
Adina: 57:21
Yeah. It depends. Like if it's like a, oh, we accidentally overbought, we didn't realize were going out of town. Sometimes I'll just put the carton or a stick of butter or straighten the freezer. We do get glass cartons a lot. Yeah. Glass cartons glass
Diane: 57:35
Glass jars, ball bottles.
Adina: 57:38
um, because is that is usually how the better quality milk is packaged. And then we return those glass bottles to say whole foods and get our little milk deposit back. I also just like the way a glass bottle of milk looks in the fridge, it makes me feel, you know, connected to our food system.
Diane: 58:00
Yes, we don't have milk men anymore. We have a herd share. So laws will vary by state and. I mean, this could be a whole episode on his own about raw milk. Uh, but we started a herd shareearlier this year with our local farmer twosparrows farm. If you are in the west Michigan area, Dan and Whitney are amazing follow along in their Instagram account because you'll get to see a glimpse of all the happy cows that they have. So. Check out real milk.com and that can help you navigate where to get raw milk or to get into a herd share. So, Her chair is we pay a cow subscription basically. And every Wednesday I go and pick up our milk, our cream, they have some raw butter right now, and sometimes they have extra eggs too. So I'm going to try to get there early tomorrow to get some of those beautiful rainbow eggs, but that's really amazing. That's one way to get that's how we get our milk, our raw milk here in Michigan, but there are some states, like I believe California, where you can buy it in certain locations or. Really just varies. So check out real milk.com to see where you can find that if that's something that you want to try out and we can dive into that further.
Adina: 59:16
we'll put that in the show notes for you guys. And remember that also, when you support a local farm like that, when you participate in a herd share or a CSA, it's not just benefiting you, you are really contributing to. Our farming landscape to our food system in a very positive way. It's it makes such a difference when we support these small farms that are doing things right. You know, we talk a lot about this in terms of moving the market. We, as consumers hold a lot of power and what we shop for is what they stock the shelves with. So we saw this like crazy with the gluten-free quote unquote trend, when a lot of people were shifting to eating gluten-free. Now you walk through the supermarket 10 years ago, if you tried to eat gluten-free it was impossible to find anything in the
Diane: 1:00:05
it was like here's Wicker furniture basically, or cardboard or difficult to
Adina: 1:00:10
like trash and it wasn't really very available. And now if you walk through supermarket Isles, there is gluten-free option everywhere. And it's a good thing. And it's a bad thing because now there's tons of junk food that just has the labeled gluten-free on it. And they think people will buy it. But again, it is proof that we really can move markets. When we communicate loud and clear, this is what we are looking for. That is what shows up. And so when you really take the time to go out of your way and support a local farm, it shifts the entire landscape of our food system.
Diane: 1:00:44
yes, it's voting with your dollar and these farmers work so hard. Our local farmers really are our superstars. I'm so thankful to Dan, to Whitney, into their happy cows for their incredible milk cream, butter, eggs. I mean, when we get our jug, our gallon of milk, it's almost like light. Yellow in color. So those cows have been on grass. It is a live food. Like we mentioned again, we could do, if you're interested in more content or episodes around raw milk and high quality milk, but it's this past year, we've just seen this shift in our community. Like have more people supporting the local farmer's market and not just in the summer season. More people seeking local to support local businesses.
Adina: 1:01:31
well, I think COVID. Showed us very loud and clear the fragility of our modern food system. When everybody panicked and supermarket shelves were empty, like for this sustainability future in the context of a pandemic, anything like that, we really see the importance of connecting to local farms and what is close to us, what is available to us? It's really important that we have that option for local food sourcing.
Diane: 1:02:06
Yeah, absolutely. Next up someone asked how did naturally cure a dairy sensitivity without taking pills? Oh, this is a good one. Yeah. My take, this can be really difficult to do.
Adina: 1:02:23
Wait, let me say, I wonder if this person meant Lactaid pills or
Diane: 1:02:28
Mm. Yeah. We might need some more context there, right? Like, can I enjoy dairy without Lactaid? Yeah, that would've been a good up question for this person. So I guess we could answer this one a couple of ways. So if that's what you meant, um, can I bring dairy back in without just taking a Lactaid pills? Possibly. Possibly. Um, I think what I've seen in my practice is that women have more success when we are able to bring in high quality supplements, nourishing foods and bringing out some of those commonly inflammatory foods that may be causing some, you know, beyond just dairy symptoms for that person right now. And that can really shorten that timeline. I know, and I love food as medicine and really focusing on that. But. If you've been experiencing a lot of symptoms for a while and they are significant, then that is a space to give yourself some extra TLC and in your maintenance phase, certainly, maybe there is a way to continue to support that your relationship with dairy through secondary supports through some healing, food like broth and other nourishing foods. But yeah, Adina what else do you think that you want to add there?
Adina: 1:03:41
Yeah, so like, Like Diane was saying, if this was referring to Lactaid pills, like certainly we can support function and get you to a place where you don't need a Lactaid pill to enjoy dairy. And can you do a healing protocol without supplements? Yes. For some people that goes really well, like Diane said, for some people, certain targeted supplementation will shorten the timeline a little bit. It's really, like we said, Throughout this episode, it's so individual. So if you did want to try to do this without any supplementation, really, including all of those healing foods, really removing any of those irritating and inflammatory foods, specifically inflammatory oils, you really would want to avoid those. And like we said earlier, go super slowly. Just try to titrate that up and see if your body will build up that tolerance on its own.
Diane: 1:04:42
On a similar note, someone asked about the effects in asthma and autoimmune diseases and hormones. So I'm guessing they meant the effects of dairy with asthma auto-immune diseases and hormone health. So here, we kind of covered this one a little bit in different ways. If you are someone who has done or feels like you need to do the AIP, the autoimmune protocol know that that is, we view that as something that's temporary. That's another one of those symptoms, oppressive diets. That can be so helpful for many people, but it's not placed that we want for you to stay.
Adina: 1:05:17
Yeah. I feel like that one specifically, so many people get stuck there because again, AIP gives them some of these symptom relief that they've been looking for for so long. And I find that with everyone I've worked with, who's had a history with AIP. They have so much fear around food that develops from having finally suppressed these symptoms by removing those foods. And so same thing. Really you want to approach this with a perspective on healing and with the ultimate goal of bringing those foods back in
Diane: 1:05:54
Yes, absolutely. We already covered a little bit about hormone health, but to whether they were adding hormones, because perhaps they experienced. Hormonal breakouts and feel like that might be connected to dairy. Um, or if they are someone who wants to improve their fertility, their cycle, we want to give attention first to got healing. Before we can worry about optimizing or improving your menstrual cycle,
Adina: 1:06:22
Yeah, absolutely. And. I like that. The question included asthma, because I think that that does get left off as an auto-immune condition. I think so many people think that that's not fixable. But everything is figure out-able. Some people will need various levels of conventional medical support, but through holistic healing, utilizing food as medicine really supporting the metabolism, really supporting digestive function. So many of these chronic symptoms that so many of us struggle with today really can improve.
Diane: 1:06:55
yes. Next up, this is an easy quickie. A few people ask about our ice cream recipe, because we both have been churning with that quisenartice cream machine. You absolutely can make ice cream without a churning machine we have for you inside of our G Y S T mini course recipe book, our ice cream recipes, and some tips for getting delicious ice cream at home. So forget the ice cream shop the ice cream place.
Adina: 1:07:26
The ice cream store,
Diane: 1:07:28
Yes. And start yourself one at home. I mean, I joked with my mother-in-law. I was like, I'm going to start an ice cream truck. I just need a jingle and I'll be on my
Adina: 1:07:38
can get you that jingle so those of you who didn't get a chance to get your hands on our mini course, while it was free in the first week of our launch, we are repackaging that baby, and it's going to have all kinds of juicy bonuses. It's going to have a full recipe book with hormone metabolic, digestive, and supportive recipes and some free workouts, a full month of hormone supportive strength, training workouts. So we are really excited to repackage that and get that out to you guys. Details will be in the show notes and. We hope you enjoyed this episode, this series. I know we covered a lot, but you guys had so many questions on dairy and we have so many feelings about dairy. So
Diane: 1:08:30
yes, a lot of strong, good feelings towards dairy. And actually I'm going to go make another batch of ice cream. I have some cream I need to use up. So super excited to get that turned in. Adina what should we leave them with today?
Adina: 1:08:45
What should we leave them with today? Stay strong, stay sassy, stay hydrated, and remember to get your hands on Diane's masterclass and her free gut guide. And if you're interested in root cause reset, you can get all of those juicy details in the show notes as well.
Diane: 1:09:05
Yes. Thank you for the plug. Find everything in the show notes on our blog. So you can find that through our Instagram account or get your shit together. pod.com
Adina: 1:09:16
if you haven't checked out, get your shit together. pod.com. We have full episode transcripts on there. So if there's anything that you missed or you wanted to just dig back into there's timestamps, there's transcripts, all of the goods. So we love you. We will see you next week. Bye.
